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Topic: Yellow/gold woolen fabric
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Nikki
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posted 06-25-2005 06:21 PM
From illustrations (not all that trustworthy regarding colors, if I am not mistaken) and extant dye analysis (MoL Textiles and Clothing appendix, as well as York finds), red (madder) dyed cloth was quite popular in England during the late medieval period. The yellow dyes do show up in chemical analysis, although there are problems with tannin staining (or something of that nature), but usually in combination with other dyes to yield a final color other than yellow. I know what dyes were available, and golden yellow was certianly possible, but that doesn't mean that anyone wore it. Does anyone know where I can find any other information on the commonality of yellow or gold colors in wool garments? The purpose here is that I found a big, inexpensive bolt of golden-yellow wool at a local store for a very good price. It is a color that I have successfully acheived using natural dyes and wool (specifically, onion skins, but there are lots of yellow dyes around). I would like to use the fabric for a gown, but want to avoid any issues regarding use of dyes by various classes, or whatnot.
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Dave Key
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posted 06-27-2005 12:10 PM
Nikki,Traditionally yellow does not appear to have been a 'favoured' colour but weld (which yields a sharp yellow) was one of the big 3 dyes (woad, madder & weld) but appears to have been used principally as a means of achieving a wider pallete rather than for the colour itself .. e.g. greens. One suggestion is that it was associated with the Jews and therefore shunned by Christians at the time. Indeeed some illustrations of hypocrites etc. show yellow hats. A C16th/C17th song 'Yellow Hose' associates yellow hose with bachelorhood ... maybe the reason for Shakespere's yellow hose cross gartered in (ahh !!! forgotten the play ... 12th night maybe ???) So but the C16th it does certainly appear in clothing but not commonly. From all of the inventories I've looked through I can't particularly recall many/any yellow ... lots of reds, greens, blues, greys, blacks etc. Sorry that's not really what you wanted to hear is it ... Cheers Dave
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Fire Stryker
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posted 07-11-2005 01:09 PM
Hey all,I just pulled this from the CoSG list. quote: Helen Castor: Blood and Roses. The Paston family and the Wars of the Roses. London 2004.The Paston letters cover 80 years of English history and are the biggest corpus of 15th letters in England. Helen Castor used them to write the biography of three generation of Pastons, presenting thrilling insights into the struggle of men trying to raise their status. It made me realize what the medieval symbol "fortune's wheel" really means. Just one excerpt to water your mouths: "[Edmund ...] did not allow his financial straits to compromise his exuberant taste in clothes. He included a lengthy shopping list in his letter to John III, who was staying in the capital for a few weeks: three yards of purple camlet - a lightweight cloth - at four shillings a yard; a 'bonnet of deep mulberry' for two shillings and fourpence; woolen cloth, in yellow, to make a pair of hose; a belt made out of ribbon in a grey-blue colour known as 'plunket'; three dozen 'points' - laces by which hose were tied on to other garments at the waist to prevent them falling down - in white, red and yellow; and three pairs of pattens, wooden overshoes worn to raise the wearer's feet above the mud and refuse in the streets." [H. Castor, Blood and Roses, p. 241]
Of particular note, yellow cloth, and colored laces. Jenn -------------------- ad finem fidelis
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Jeff Johnson
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posted 07-14-2005 02:03 AM
quote: Originally posted by Fire Stryker: Hey all,I just pulled this from the CoSG list. Of particular note, yellow cloth, and colored laces. Jenn
and colored laces. -------------------- Geoffrey Bourrette Man At Arms
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Fire Stryker
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posted 07-14-2005 12:28 PM
In this particular instance, I would say individually colored laces rather than multi, but that is based on how the author put it. Not from actually looking at the "Letters".I think Nikki's original question was about gold and yellow fabric for garments in general, because there was a bolt of some nice wool available. J -------------------- ad finem fidelis
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