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Jace
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posted 11-23-2004 06:45 PM
   
Hi All,I was wondering can someone suggest a supplier of Burgundian coins (sets). -------------------- Jace
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Fire Stryker
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posted 11-24-2004 12:10 PM
Nope.We actually had to have our Double Briquette (1474) created overseas. There are some companies that do a Stuiver and a grote, which I think in an impression, you'd actually have versus a St. Andrew, A lion, or a Chevalier (all of which are gold coins), but I know of no one that is doing a complete set of coins. Jenn
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Jace
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posted 11-26-2004 03:54 AM
Hi Thanks for that. In Australia its pretty much impossible to get any coins let alone Burgundian ones. i have several sets of coins from the UK about 30+ coins from 3 sets, but they are all english.i am not very up-to-date on appropriate coinage for a continental person. Anyway i'll keep looking and see what i can Find ;-) -------------------- Jace
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chef de chambre
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posted 11-26-2004 09:01 AM
Hi Jace,This is the fellow we purchased our coins from initially until we had our own minted. Chard (Jeweller)
http://www.24carat.co.uk
http://www.24carat.co.uk/reprocoinsorderform.html All he has are: Charles the Bold Double Stuiver
Charles the Bold Groat Jenn (pretending to be Chef today) [ 11-26-2004: Message edited by: chef de chambre ]
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Jancemeijer von Magnus
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posted 11-27-2004 01:25 PM
This guy can do it. Bigbury mint If he doesnt have them already I think he can make them.In service, -------------------- ~ Jason Banditt Adams
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Jancemeijer von Magnus
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posted 11-29-2004 05:38 PM
I've been interested in the whole coin thing too. My uncle has a bronze casting company that makes plaques and grave-markers for veterans and the like. He can make the dyes and stamps, if you have someone that can sculpt the positive.By any chance does anyone know of any HRE coins? Especially guilders? I have a lot of info on the mustering of troops and the payline and I think it would be a neat little bit to do for public displays. Sory about Bigbury having that bad side, I don't know what to look for in Burg. coins.  [ 11-29-2004: Message edited by: Jancemeijer Magnus Fulkim ] -------------------- ~ Jason Banditt Adams
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Jancemeijer von Magnus
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posted 11-29-2004 06:15 PM
What is a good substance for such coins? Obviously Im not going to buy gold for guilders, and silver isnt that inexpensive either!I was thinking Brass for gold and pewter for silver. Or is this going too farby? interested, -------------------- ~ Jason Banditt Adams
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posted 11-29-2004 07:14 PM
Hi Jancemeijer,Pewter is commonly used in most reenactment circles for silver coins. Brass is commonly done for gold as well, although some companys commonly electroplate 'gold' coins (which isn't too expensive). Most reenactors wouldn't have a pocketfull of gold, so buying a couple electroplated is usually seen as being reasonable in price for those that would have had them. The Bigbury mint coins are a very authentic 'billion', which is a mix of silver and base metal. Our Czech coins (or Burgundian coins made by Czechs) were struck in silver, because at the time, believe it or not, sheet silver was cheaper than sheet billion. Nobody will think you farby for using pewter for coins - the only reason all mine are billion or silver is that's because the only people making Burgundian coins were making them in those materials. We have toyed with the idea of having a die made for a 'mite' - which would roughly be a farthing, and was called 'money noir' in the day, because although it was notionally supposed to be silver, it was so much copper and tarnished so easy. The mite we would have struck would have been in copper, and the rate at 2 years ago, (once a die was paid for), would have been 50 cents a coin. Continental coins circulated pretty freely, and having a number of different coins from different sources (France, Burgundy, different places in the Empire) would be very realistic for anyone well traveled. -------------------- Bob R.
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Jancemeijer von Magnus
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posted 11-29-2004 07:43 PM
hmmmm... The old gears are cranking.Do you have good refference for your mite? I could get with my uncle on making striking dyes. Ive done designing for him in the past and he has a nice set up with how we work together. Ill be home for Christmas and cant ask him in person then for a quote on price when we exchange gifts. I will need to know the size of the finished dye and material you want it made of (he doesnt just do brass). This would be a neat venture to get into! In service, -------------------- ~ Jason Banditt Adams
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gregory23b
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posted 12-05-2004 06:53 PM
a lot of the non silver coins are nickle or similar, it keeps the weight and thickness down. then electro plated.go for a whacking job lot done and get the unit costs down. -------------------- history is in the hands of the marketing department - beware!
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Martin
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posted 02-10-2005 09:38 AM
Hi Jason and Reinhard,
take a good look at what kind of coins you would need for your display! The Burgundian wars where a major thing but that doesn´t mean that their coins where spread widely about. Often enough they where melted down and then minted into local coins.
Also using a modern 750kg press is not nessasary as coins where in those days still struck by hand. Looking at the pennies they are generally about ,03mm thick so you don´t need a tremendous amout of force to mint those coins.
This is a field where I have been doing intesive research for the last two years and it is a very large field and sometimes rather confusing. Keep also in mind the HRE is more than what is known now a days as Germany, you have parts of eastern France, parts of eastern Burgundy, parts of western Poland, Czechoslovakia, Austria, Hungry I believe?, Switzerland and northern Italy. Now a day Switzerland is not the same as 15th century Switzerland, several Cantons where added later on. You are talking about a huge area!
For example Jason is displaying a town militia from Kassel in the province of Hessen. If he is taking part in the imperial army to stop the siege of Neuss, he would be traveling from Kassel over Bielefeld, Soest,
Dortmund to Cologne or in German Köln. Most larger towns minted there own coins so he would for sure have coins from every bigger town he came through. Minting coins had to do with prestige, in some cases the town and the bishop of a town minted there own coins. Additionally coins from other towns where seldom excepted as legal tender, but had to be exchanged into local coinage. And the exchange rates varied greatly just like the content of pure silver in the smaller coins varied. The silver content was often used to fill up empty town coffers. So what you are looking at on coins would be the silver penny or Pfennig in German, in south western Germany and Switzerland called a Rappen. The next bigger coin would be the Heller or Händlein after the hand on the front side, originaly from Schwäbisch Hall and minted at the earliest in the mid 13th century und in use till the begining of the 16th century, this coin was after Schwäbisch Hall minted in dozens of central european towns, this coin was worth about 2pennies, next you have the Schilling worth normally 12 in some towns only 8 or 6 pennies, the ones worth 6 pennies where usually a bit smaller in size. The Schilling can be confusing as it has very many differant names: Schilling, Groschen, Plappert, Blaffert, Albus, Weißpfenning and Grosso. The last one is more common for Italy. But I am sure those are not all the names of that coin. Then you have the gold coins either as Florin standing for the original minting place Florenz in Italy although these coins where also produced in other countries. Of simulare size is the Rheinische Goldgulden, which as to the Florin doesn´t have the lilly of Florenz any more.
As the name says the Goldgulden where minted in the major cities lying near the river Rhein these where the first that had imperial permission to mint this coin. That coin was for example 1441 in Nürnberg 150 pennies worth. So that would be you "big money".
As to the question if coins where minted in Switzerland, yes they where. Switzerland officialy belonged to the Empire, even though the Swiss where for independentancy. So depending from which part of Switzerland you come from you would have differant coins than some one from as north as Kassel. I know that Solothurn, Basel, Bern and St Gallen definatly minted there own coins.
Well as to the reproductions of coins I have been doing for years the silver pennies from Mainz for the 1476 group, and I intend to reproduce coins again, but that can take a bit, so if you are in a hurry you will have to have to look for someone else.Pooh sorry that this posting as exploded into a monster, but coins is a very complex field.
Martin
[ 02-10-2005: Message edited by: Martin ] -------------------- Verpa es, qui istuc leges. Non es fidenter scripto!
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Jancemeijer von Magnus
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posted 02-25-2005 10:31 PM
Wow, today is the big day! I hope you have a smooth move. I will send you the e-mail this weekend. Exciting!Martin, can you send me a private message on the boards here with your e-mail address? Sorry about that. Thank you,
-Jason [ 02-25-2005: Message edited by: Jancemeijer von Magnus Fülkim ] -------------------- ~ Jason Banditt Adams
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