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Is this what you are asking or are you seeing points on the shoulders where armour could be attached???

If it is the bottom seam (waist area),
Points are great in that your hosen doesn't slide down during activity.

Which is bad if you need to take a prompt bio break and the knots won't come undone.

From a distance shot, here is a photo (see person in blue). The points are white.

From the Historic Enterprises website, this is the new 15thC doublet they are offering. You can see the black points.

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Speaking of points and their uses ---
Should 15th C. shoes be tied with points -- woven cords with metal tips? The ones I got from HE have leather laces, which have worked fine, but should I aim for using points?

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Agilets (ferrules) are stitched - when they are made of wool or silk, or they are riveterd - when they are made of leather.

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TJH, use a mandrel to keep it from squashing.

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Jeff and I just cranked out a bunch of metal chapes for our points, and (I think) they look pretty good.

You can find the right weight brass at hobby shops that specialize in model railroading (brass engines). I've had the best luck with .010 inch thickness. Any thinner, and they don't look as smooth when finished.

I'd have to look at MOL (Dress Accessories) again, but it seems that they had a variety of chape types on their silk braided points. Some were riveted, some stitched, and I believe that some were glued. I've tried stitching, but always had trouble with my stitches disintegrating when pulling through eyelets over and over. (Then again, maybe my eyelets are too small... )

I've found a small wire crimpers to be most indespensible for making a well shaped, well curved chape. I picked mine up at Sears, not sure where you'd get it over the pont. The tool I have has two different size holes, and automatically curves the brass while it bends it. Very handy.

Gwen, I made a mandrel, and used it for making my pattern, but it never seemed too useful for the chape making itself. Maybe it's because I'm too clumsy, wasn't using the right tools, or left it at Jeff's house and had to make do without it. Can you describe how you use it? Do you hammer around it? Or use needlenose pliers?

I'm thinking that either these doublets really do double as their arming clothes, OR that it's a fashion thing - "Hey, ladies... I'm looking GOOD in my doublet, and I'm such a stud - I'm ready to strap on some armor & demonstrate my prowess."

In the pic Frederich posted, the person in blue is me, chef is in the pink (awww...) arming doublet and Brent/Peder is in Green. The white points are from HE.

About Point construction - Char's dad found a spiffy set of heavy wire-crimping pliers at Sears with different-sized crimps in the jaws. They work verrah nice for making point Agilets. A dab of glue on the point before insertion and a bit of cautious crimping on the Agilets where the point goes in can secure the Agilets nicely.

[ 10-27-2004: Message edited by: Jeff Johnson ]

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Useless points appear to have been THE hot fashion trend for a while there, especially in Italy.

Generally supposed that it's the 15th C. equivalent of modern people wearing fatigues in a civilian context or a military web belt with jeans.

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Google has a cool calculator tool, that will also do conversions. Just type in ".010 inches to mm".

Make sure you don't get .10 inches... A tenth of an inch would be pretty thick.

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Originally posted by Thomas james hayman:
IS araldite OK for 'sticking' them on? it is used to attach knocks on bows.

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Araldite - epoxy resin? Use hide glue, son! (kidding) Ya - that stuff ought hold well.

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