Effective 1-2004
-All 2003 upgrades
-Belts/pouches shall not be worn over doublets
-The use of cotton clothing (shirts, linings, etc.) is prohibited.
-No midday napping in public areas
-(announced for 2005 season) All doublets must be replaced by 2005 with new, updated pattern (retrofitted "old style" doublets will not be permitted )
-(announced for 2005 season) All men shall have a short coat/gown/jacket, which shall be worn whenever the wearer is not actively engaged in hard labor/activities.

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Household inventories most often list fabrics on hand and household accounts detail what the fabrics were to be made into. (Paston, Stonor, Cecy, Howard accounts for example) These records give us very good insight into what people were wearing, and linen is the fabric used for clothing and linings.

I’m not sure what you’re asking regarding “cotton padding from Chivalry Sports”. Are they offering cotton padding by the yard like quilt batting? If so, my opinion is that would be fine to use in arming or civilian clothing as wadding, even for RedCo.

Hope that helps-

Gwen

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There is strong evidence that 15th C. fustian was a heavy linen warp/cotton weft twill with a brushed or napped finish. if you can get past the brushed twill looking like Dockers issue, it's probably not a bad modern imitation of 15th C. fustian.

As the owner of a "competing" clothing company, it would be ill-advised for me to either recommend nor advise against the Revival Clothing product. Having examined them quite closely in person, I can, however, make the following impartial observations:

-The garment bears VERY LITTLE resemblance to the Charles of Blois coat it is supposed to be a copy of. It's more like a cross between the Charles of Blois and the Charles V coat in Chartres, with a cursory nod to both but lacking the details of either.

-It is unbelievably thick, more along the lines of a coat armour than an arming coat.

-Because of the thickness it is very stiff.

-Arming points are 1/2" wide nylon shoelaces in -very- bright nylon colors, complete with plastic shoelace tips.

-People have asked Jeff if they can be used under his globose breastplate and/or arm harnesses and he's said no, the garment is too thick to function properly under reproduction armour. (He looked at them the same time I did)

-Definately does not meet the requirements of the LH groups I work with, and most that I'm aware of.

I have read on the AA that Revival Clothing is aiming for an SCA market content with "medievaloide" clothing, not the LH market. From what I've seen, I'd say that's a fair assessment. Your mileage may vary.

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Wouldn't presume to speak for WA, but I'm doing research for RedCo. which is Burgundy-based.

I'm looking for differences due to geographical locations in the central and south of France which perhaps wouldn't have had access to these products
Rheims in France was renowned world-wide for making the finest linen goods, so I don't think you're going to find the difference you're looking for.

This is way off-topic
True, but you're asking the questions other people may be thinking, so it's instructive for everyone for me to answer you. Some RedCo. rules may seem random or arbitrary; if I explain why we do things the way we do you can either agree with my research or refute it. If your research is better than mine, the new information you present just might inspire me to change a flawed or obsolete RedCo. policy. That's a win-win situation in my book.

i'm excited about your new updated doublets. the point holes allways bugged me, though it was understandable that most guys didn't want to walk aroung with their butts showing. but then again, i prefer my split hose with them rolled down to my knees, much to the chagrin of my freinds.

two questions:

1. why the no belt/pouch over doublet?

2. any progress on an off the peg "germanic" doublet with detached sleeves?

thanks

daniel

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2. any progress on an off the peg "germanic" doublet with detached sleeves?
No plans to offer one, it's too specialized a style to be economically viable.

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-Only Hugo and Ron M may wear felt "bucket" hat, other men must wear "acorn", bag or other suitable style hat
-No commoner may wear HE "15th C. man's hat"

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Not knowing who Hugo and Ron M. are, what is the significance between the different styles of hats? Are the acorn hats "commoner" hats? The bucket style officers' hats?

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Are the acorn hats "commoner" hats?
No, you see them on everyone from valets to nobles. The upper classes tend to wear them -under- other hats, like chaperones and those goofy furry bowler hats. In Rene' you see guys standing around with a hat in their hand, yet they still have this style on their head. It's kinda weird and cool at the same time.

Here's a picture of Jeff and his valets Rubin and Tobias all wearing "acorn" hats:

The bucket style officers' hats?
Exactly the opposite! The simple felt "bucket" hats are seen on the lowest classes, that's why I'm restricting who can wear them. I really shouldn't let Hugo wear one, because he's the Sargeant/Campmaster; however, he has a unique way of wearing his hat that everyone finds very endearing, so I'm grandfathering it in:

Gunner Ron M. has an eye condition that leaves him with paralyzing migranes if he's out in bright light. Since we don't use sunglasses, I try to help him out by keeping him in a kettle hat with a wide brim if he's in armour and allowing him to wear the bucket hat when he's not.

Gwen

Thanks for the information, I think I'm all out of dumb questions now. I'm looking forward to your "surprise", though!

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Originally posted by Ginevra:
[b]Effective 1-2003:
-No commoner may wear HE "15th C. man's hat"

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Commoner doesn't apply to soldiers does it - Just the working-level chaps? The "guardroom" fresco depicts guards lounging around wearing hats much like the HE 15th C mans hat.

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"The "guardroom" fresco"? Can you give me some more info so I can look at this work you're referencing? Nothing's springing to mind, so I'm curious.....

Thanks!

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Originally posted by Ginevra:
[b]Effective 1-2003:

-Only Hugo and Ron M may wear felt "bucket" hat, other men must wear "acorn", bag or other suitable style hat
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Jeffrey just showed me the guardroom scene you referred to. It is Italian and is dated 1500, which explains the hat.

This particular style was widely adopted in Italy and Germany about 1480-90, and there are subtle differences between this style and the earlier 1450-1475 style. Unfortunately there's that famous shot of Clive Bartlett wearing one in in the "Medieval Soldier" book, and everyone went indicriminately mad for them.

There's a lot of this style of hat being worn by the people in "Medieval Life Illustrations" (CB Grafton), and these woodcuts are primarily German and primarily very late 15th C. I've not done any targeted research so I don't have any references to hand but it looks to me like this style became popular post 1475-80, and more in Germany and Italy than in Burgundy and France. I find the acorn and assorted bag styles earlier, but this split brim style looks to me to be a tidge later, after the fashion revolution of 1480.

I've dropped it from our standards because this hat does not appear to be common or widespead in Burgundy in 1471.

As always, I'm willing to be proven wrong!

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Originally posted by Fire Stryker:
Gwen said above that Ron is prone to migraines due to prolonged exposure to bright light/sun. Would avoid "sunglasses".

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