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Taylor Ellis
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posted 07-21-2003 01:02 AM     Profile for Taylor Ellis     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Can anyone tell me what sort, if any socks people wore around 900? I can find trews and period shoes, but I have no info on socks. Did they just not wear any?

Thanks!


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Friedrich
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posted 07-21-2003 07:11 AM     Profile for Friedrich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Can't speak on 900. But for 1500 the evidence pointed that socks did not exist either. (The knit version as we know them.) However, there is limited evidence that additional short leggings cut of woven fabric (basically hosen material) may have existed in the high countries. (alps)
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Wolf
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posted 07-21-2003 07:48 AM     Profile for Wolf   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
i would say there are no socks. just hosen.

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Albrecht
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posted 07-21-2003 01:41 PM     Profile for Albrecht     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I think it depends on which "people" you're asking about. My understanding is that there is evidence that the "vikings" wore naalbound socks; IIRC a pair was found near York.

Try a search for "naalbinding" on the 'net and see what you find.


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Dave Key
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posted 07-23-2003 07:27 AM     Profile for Dave Key   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
For the C9th-C10th not sure but there is Norse evidence for naalbinding as Albrecht mentions ... however Yorvik evidence is not typicaly C9th-C10th but C11th-C12th from memory.

For later (i.e. C15th) Socks most certainly do exist in the written records and are specifically mentioned in relation to feet and alongside hose. As to their construction ... that's a question I can't answer I'm afraid.

Cheers
Dave


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Friedrich
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posted 07-23-2003 10:40 AM     Profile for Friedrich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Key:
(i.e. C15th) Socks most certainly do exist


Dave,

I'd love to learn or help to verify that this is true as I too have looked for evidence regarding socks. (The modern knit variety.) I had a long series of conversations about this very question between Royal Armouries, Angela Essenhigh and a contact of hers from Germany in museum clothing research (whose name I never learned unfotuntely. The conclusion at that time was that KNIT clothing generally did not yet exist.

Going from memory although I have the specific emails around here somewhere... Except, for certain hats/head covering which was just coming into play, certain pouch/bag accessories, and certain styles of clothing far to the north (viking related - Sweden, Lapland), that there was not any credible evidence supporting any other knit clothing. (I'm not saying that evidence does not exist but that she and her contacts had not yet found any credible proof at that time.) And that the few clothing references of leggings were extra layers of the same construction of hosen aka woven fabric.

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Karen Larsdatter
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posted 07-23-2003 11:28 AM     Profile for Karen Larsdatter   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I think A History of Hand Knitting by Richard Rutt and History of Knitting Before Mass Production by Irene Turnau would be helpful in research in this area.

The MoL Textiles and Clothing book does have some 14th century knit fragments, and there are several sources which describe knit liturgical gloves of the 14th-15th centuries (including Die Liturgisches Gewandung im Occident und Orient by Joseph Braun, and Textile Conservation and Research by Mechthild Fleury-Lemberg).

You might also be interested in the 14th century Swiss relic pouches in Mittelalterliche Textilien in Kirchen und Klöstern der Schweiz by Brigitta Schmedding, or the 13th century Spanish pillows in El Panteon Real de las Huelgas de Burgos by Manuel Gómez-Moreno.

These and other sources are discussed in an annotated bibliography on the history of knitting. The people on the HistoricKnit mailing list may have additional suggestions.

As to the original question in the thread, there are pictures of the "Coppergate sock" at York Archaeology Artefacts Alive, as well as some related information on a Regia Anglorum webpage. This site has an excellent bibliography and other resources on the subject of nålbinding. Nålebinding Techniques in the Viking Age might also be useful for you, and there is a mailing list for those interested in the technique as well.

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Taylor Ellis
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posted 07-23-2003 08:30 PM     Profile for Taylor Ellis     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks guys!
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Friedrich
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posted 07-30-2003 09:35 AM     Profile for Friedrich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I got a response back from our local regia viking. Below is what he offered. Perhaps it will help a little in finding better answers.

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There are examples of leg bindings (like puttees), woolen strips 2-3 inches wide rolled around the legs. They add warmth, and a bit of protection against brush.

And there are examples of socks made using nálbinding techniques (insanely complicated knotting technique, rather than knitting). Based on the living history stuff I've done, I'd have to say socks are _not_ an option in
winter. Without them, the shoes soak through and the feet get dangerously cold in a hurry.

More information on these topics on the Hurstwic article about Viking age clothing: http://www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/daily_living/text/clothing.htm


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hsu
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posted 08-01-2003 04:02 AM     Profile for hsu   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
If any of you are coming to the Scandinavian countries you can actually find old women making socks and mittens in the nålbindning-technique, selling them in market places for crafts.

I bought a pair of mittens this summer for about 20 EURO.

/Henrik


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