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Glen K
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posted 02-03-2003 07:55 PM     Profile for Glen K   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
About half a year ago, I ordered (and recieved in good time) a round pavilion from Tentsmiths. However, it was not until this past weekend that I was actually able to put it up. This was the first time I had ever put up a medieval pavilion, so I sort of guessed.

Let me give some details:
Canvas, w/mudflaps. 13' diameter at the eaves, 16' at the bottom of the walls (so they walls slant). ~10' 7" center pole. NOT of the 'interior hoop' type, but rather dependent on guy ropes around the circumference of the eave to give it shape.

According to period illustrations, I thought I would try attaching the ropes to the eaves with the 'crows-foot' method, i.e. having the ropes come from the eaves at their points, join by twos, and then a single rope goes to the stake out from the tent. There are 20 holes in the eave to do this with, so there were 10 main guy ropes going out to stakes, spliting halfway up their length into two ropes.

So, I got the top of the tent onto the pole, lifted it up, and proceeded to tie off these guy ropes to stakes, trying to make them go out far enough to basically continue the plane of the cone out to the ground. However, No matter how taught I made them, there was still some significant sag in between some of the couple lines. I made a point of making sure all the ropes were the same length. What puzzles me is that in some places it worked great, but in others I couldn't get it to work no matter what I did. When I put the walls up, it exacerbated the situation. The tent was actually structurally quite sound, but I'd like to make it look a little more taught, snappy, and straight: basically the way the documentation shows them being.

So, my question is: Does anyone have any suggestions? I thought about: 1) simply doing away with the crows-foot look and just having each hole have it's own guy rope (for a total of 20); 2) having a three-split instead of a two (this seems, however, like it would make the problem even worse); or, 3) keeping the crows-foot look, but bascially having TWO ropes come out of each hole, meaning in effect that there would still be 20 guy ropes to stake off. A good look, perhaps, but it seems overly and uneccesarily complicated.

Any suggestions or reflections on past experience would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Glen


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Jeff Johnson
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posted 02-03-2003 08:47 PM     Profile for Jeff Johnson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I've the same tent, or one very similar. Thing is - the period tents seem to have been smaller, taller, and often have an internal hoop or some such to keep the top rigid.

Mine has perimeter poles, and I always felt farby using them until one of the guys showed me a period illustration that has what looks very much like perimeter poles. I'd Still rather have a taller tent more closely configured to the typical, but until then, I don't feel too bad with my poles.

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Ulfgar
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posted 02-06-2003 05:32 AM     Profile for Ulfgar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have a round pavilion that sounds very similar to the one you have described. Mine also is held up with a single centre pole only and uses the crows feet to hold the shape, without a hoop. The first time it was set up, I too had the sagging blues. The answer is to simply keep jiggering with it until it all works right. You should make sure it is up with the walls attached and then go around making the adjustments. One thing we found was that the problem is sometimes caused by too much tension in adjacent crows feet and so frequently the fix was to actually relax the attachments on either side of where the sag occurrs. The other thing to ensure is that your crows feet are all evenly spaced apart around the rim of the roof and also that the "foot" part of the crows foot has long enough "toes". Lastly make sure that the entire length of each guy-rope is long enough to hold the roof fully spread. Persevere, it is a big job but you will get there in the end and it will look great. I know because I did, and now my group has four large pavilions all using the crows foot method.

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gaukler
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posted 02-06-2003 02:28 PM     Profile for gaukler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Could you post photos of your set-up?
mark

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Glen K
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posted 02-06-2003 11:08 PM     Profile for Glen K   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Gaukler,

Do you mean me or Ulfgar?

GK


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Woodcrafter
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posted 04-30-2003 01:33 AM     Profile for Woodcrafter   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have a 14' round without crows feet. If you tighten too much, one line will sag somewhat. Ensure the ropes are inline with the seams, and they are roughly the same distance from the centre pole.

At night with the dew, or in a rain, it all tightens up and looks great, except the centre pole is bow shaped. You have to lossen off the ropes.

Relax and believe the paintings are either artistic impression/license, or the owner was so rich he had many servants to do nothing but adjust ropes all day. Personally I set it up, roughly adjust the ropes and let it sag naturally.

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Evelyne Bouchard
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posted 10-21-2005 11:19 AM     Profile for Evelyne Bouchard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Someone have pictured method to fasten crow foot?

It will be very helpfull! I tried several ways, but I'm not satisfied.

Thanks!
Evelyne


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