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Topic: 14th cent. hip belts?
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Fire Stryker
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posted 09-25-2002 08:36 AM
    
Hi Bernard,I think what you are looking for is called a "plaque belt". Other than that, I am away from my library and can't offer any images, and as it is before the time I portray, I don't know who offers them for sale. Jenn -------------------- ad finem fidelis
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Johannes
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posted 09-25-2002 02:14 PM
The very best source for information on belts is Ilse Fingerlin's "Guertel des hohen un spaeten Mittelalters." In german and long out of print, it's worth the effort to track and copy. It has a good section on the Cleveland belt, which has a U shaped buckle open on one side, and a good illustration of the hidden hook and eye, where the hook is inserted through one of a series of small rings sewn to the back of the belt. She illustrates a number of extant belts, but all of them are composites, made of metal bits attached to cloth or leather.
I have found the best place to find the all metal plaque belts is sculpture, effigies and figural. If I remember correctly, the last time I was at the Met there was a nice female statue with this type belt. I would have to dig to see if I have pictures of it. Talbot's has a replica plaque belt at http://talbotsfineaccessories.com/Jewelry/belt2.jpg I am not sure what closure he uses. -------------------- Johannes
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Callum Forbes
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posted 09-25-2002 05:55 PM
Johannes wrote:Talbot's has a replica plaque belt at http://talbotsfineaccessories.com/Jewelry/belt2.jpg I am not sure what closure he uses. He uses a simple pin arrangement. I'm not sure how "period" this is as information from the period is scarce. But I'm more than happy with it. -------------------- URL=http://www.jousting.co.nz Facebook [URL=http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1290562306]
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J.K. Vernier
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posted 10-07-2002 02:44 PM
The problem is that very little survives of these large plaque belts, although there is a lot more evidence for narrower belts. The only evidence which I am aware of for belts linked together without a backing, is a fragment which was in R.E. Oakshott's collection, and which is illustrated in his "The Archeology of Weapons," Fig. 13. Unfortunately he says little about it, and its identification as part of a plaque belt is by no means certain (Although it certainly looks like it is one). Other than this, there is little artifactual evidence available, aside from (1) several round plaques in the Museum of London, illustrated in their Dress Accessories catalogue, which might (but I stress, might) be from a belt like that on the Black Prince's effigy, and which have rivet stems for attachment to a backing; (2) a large silver-gilt buckle in the form of a castle gatehouse, in a museum in Bucharest. This is illustrated in the catalogue from the exhibit "Die Parler" (cologne 1979), and also in Lightbown, Medieval Jewellery. This buckle has side-tabs which would have held a leather or textile strap. Similar architectural buckles are seen particularly in Germanic artworks of the later 14th century. There is a fair amount of evidence in artwork for large plaques attached to flexible belts. Whether or not linked belts saw much use seems to be a vexed question.
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Johannes
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posted 10-14-2002 05:35 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Alienor:
[B]Can somebody tell me whether the belts we're discussing are made from metal plaques linked together, or plaques attached to a leather backing? I've never been quite clear. In my quick survey of Fingerlin, nearly all of the belts she details there are mounts attached to wool, silk, or velvet. I have been meaning to do a count of each, but haven't gotten to it yet. The complete belt in Cleveland is 3rd quarter of the 14th C., the mounts touch all the way around the belt, and the backing is wool. The large military belts may very well be of leather, but I don't know of any that still exist. -------------------- Johannes
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posted 09-25-2002 08:43 AM
I have a couple of pictures that might be of interest; rather than posting them directly, feel free to contact me and I can let you have them. Sorry to have been so vague, but I hope this helps!
