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Saverio
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posted 04-18-2002 10:01 PM     Profile for Saverio   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have a nice piece of calf skin (3 or 4 oz), would this make a good upper for a turnshoe? I also have some nice 7 oz oil tan for the sole, is it thick enough? Will I be able to turn the oil tan? should I oil it heavily before turning?

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Saverio
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posted 04-18-2002 11:17 PM     Profile for Saverio   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I'm not sure if it makes a difference, but I'm trying for something like this

(from Marc Carlson's site) http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe/SHOES/SHOE25.HTM

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Jeff Johnson
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posted 04-19-2002 07:37 PM     Profile for Jeff Johnson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It's a tad lighter than I'd use, but uppers don't see a lot of wear & tear. If you liberally apply nearsfoot oil (NOT compound), it'll make the leather far more pliable and help the turning. Enough? Maybe. There's always water you can soak it in.

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Saverio
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posted 04-19-2002 10:39 PM     Profile for Saverio   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Water won't affect the oil tanned leather (I've tried )

Is it possible to substitute mink oil for neatsfoot oil (no where to buy it around here).

Would the 7 oz be too heavy for the uppers?

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Dan

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Brenna
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posted 04-20-2002 12:18 AM     Profile for Brenna   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Do you have a tack or feed shop nearby? How about a western wear place? Those are two great sources of neatsfoot oil.

I second the "oil, not compound" as well. Use compound on tack and your stitches will rot out in no time.

Brenna

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Saverio
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posted 04-20-2002 11:30 AM     Profile for Saverio   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Brenna:
Do you have a tack or feed shop nearby? How about a western wear place? Those are two great sources of neatsfoot oil.

Nope, none as far as I know. I think it would be quite a long drive to find neatsfoot oil. Any reason not to use mink oil?


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J.K. Vernier
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posted 04-20-2002 12:55 PM     Profile for J.K. Vernier   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I think 7 oz is too thick for the uppers - about right for period soles (I've handled a bunch of these now). The 3 oz is a good weight for uppers. Some of the period examples are surprisingly delicate.

Not that I have a problem with mink oil (I haven't used it), but any sort of animal fat will do in a pinch. Yes, it can go rancid, but so can neatsfoot oil.

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Jeff Johnson
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posted 04-20-2002 07:37 PM     Profile for Jeff Johnson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
mink oil is kind of a paste and doesn't penetrate as well. It can also leave a sticky surface. You can find neatsfoot a bunch of places online. Like:
http://www.bcsaddlery.com/tstab.htm

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Saverio
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posted 04-20-2002 08:36 PM     Profile for Saverio   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hmmm...I was going of applying the mink oil warm/hot from a double boiler. I've done it before on 2 oz leather and had it penetrate well.

Dan


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Seigneur de Leon
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posted 04-20-2002 10:20 PM     Profile for Seigneur de Leon   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I seldom use anything except mink oil in the grease form, not the oil. Neatsfoot oil is the nastiest stuff around. Not only does it "oversaturate" causing ripping and stretching, it sucks dust out of the air. When we used neatsfoot oil on our saddles, we always had the brown crotch syndrome, where your clothing is dirty and stained whenever it comes into contact with the oil.
Using a grease, which you polish off, we never have this staining.
True, it is difficult to get the penetration from grease you get with oil, but combined with "elbow grease" mink oil is far cleaner (although a lot more expensive) than neatsfoot oil.
I use mink oil grease on all my shoes, straps, belts, scabbards, tack, leather cottes and jerkins, as well as the flesh sides of my furs.
In twelve years I've never had stitches rot out, although we've replaced a lot of leather from leaving it within a horse's reach for "just a minute!!!"

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Brenna
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posted 04-21-2002 11:39 AM     Profile for Brenna   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
When we used neatsfoot oil on our saddles, we always had the brown crotch syndrome, where your clothing is dirty and stained whenever it comes into contact with the oil.

Really? I have never had that problem but I have always applied neatsfoot oil with a rag and rubbed it in hard, rather than painting it on and leaving it like some people do.

I don't really use it much on tack anymore though. I use plain white vinegar for cleaning most of the time (with old fashioned saddle soap if starting with a very dirty saddle) and Lederbalsam or Bienwachs for conditioning.

Brenna

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