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Phillipe de Pamiers
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posted 03-25-2002 11:20 AM     Profile for Phillipe de Pamiers   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I remember (read as have convinced myself that I saw) seeing a quarter shilling. It was for sale by a merchant as an antiquity.

Does any one know if it was a common practice to cut larger coins into 1/2 and 1/4 to make smaller denominations? I am primarily interested in the practice circa 1375.

My hunch is that the cross on the back of the English shilling/groat may have been used as the point at which the coin was divided.

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gaukler
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posted 03-25-2002 02:18 PM     Profile for gaukler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I've never seen a quarter shilling, but I have handled (and often have for sale) English medieval cut half-pennies and farthings. See http://medievalwares.com/medievalantiquities.htm , numbers 938,942. I'm sure I have some more that aren't on the web page yet.
mark shier

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Phillipe de Pamiers
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posted 03-25-2002 02:49 PM     Profile for Phillipe de Pamiers   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
So if they would quarter a penny is it to much of a leap to assume the same would have occured with the shilling?

I assume that this would present a great opportunity to devalue the coin. Of course a scale would tell the recipiant how much of the coin they were actually getting.

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gaukler
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posted 03-25-2002 03:16 PM     Profile for gaukler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Second try for this post:
I've handled, and often have for sale, medieval English cut half-pennies and farthings. The practice seems to have been quite common in the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries. For examples, see http://medievalwares.com/medievalantiquities.htm , numbers 938 and 942. I'm sure I have more in stock that haven't made it to the web page yet.
mark shier

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gaukler
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posted 03-25-2002 04:46 PM     Profile for gaukler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I've never seen or hard of a quartered shilling or groat. Why would you cut up a shilling (which, so far as I know, wasn't minted in 14C England, but was a unit of account), or a groat (worth 4p)into smaller bits worth multiples of 1p, when the most common coin in circulation was the penny? There were one ore two mintings of farthings, but usually, because of the shortage of small change, people cut pennies into 1/2p and 1/4p.
mark shier
ps- sorry for the double posting- the fist time I replied, my post didn't show up.

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Ron M
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posted 03-25-2002 09:51 PM     Profile for Ron M   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I've heard that the Long Cross reverse on coins was to discourage clipping or trimming the coins by those somewhat less than honest.The Crosses were usually flared at each end so that a coin that was clipped was easily spotted.I think that the punishment for this was death, but I can't say for sure. Of course, being divided by the Cross design helped Merchants cut the coins into halfs and fourthlings (farthings).

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Phillipe de Pamiers
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posted 03-26-2002 09:25 AM     Profile for Phillipe de Pamiers   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks for the input.

A couple of my friends and I are going to aquire some 14th century coin dies. The thought is to use the coins for gambling and to purchase items from one another. In addition we are going to have a year long ransom tourney where you are required to put something on the line when you fight, namely money to ransom back your armour.

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posted 05-05-2002 02:01 AM     Profile for Woodcrafter   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
If you strike the penny of EIII, let me know. I would be interested in a bunch.

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Phillipe de Pamiers
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posted 05-07-2002 09:59 AM     Profile for Phillipe de Pamiers   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
After a closer look I decided that I was not ready to front the 450$ for a coin die right now. Hopefully, I will learn how to make dies in the future.

However, I did order a supply of Edward III coins in pewter from a moneyer in the UK. He has a complete set of the Groat, 1/2 Groat, Penny, 1/2 penny and farthing. I am very impressed with the timeliness of the order and the quality of the coins. His prices are very good and I would recommend them. His web page is www.grunal.com and his e-mail address is Grunal@aol.com. The only drawback is that you will have to pay in a cashiers check in pounds sterling, but that is not to difficult.

I ordered enough so that 5 plus people can game and bet, I hope it will add a little more fun to gaming.

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Hugh Knight
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posted 05-08-2002 03:02 AM     Profile for Hugh Knight   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Phillipe de Pamiers:
After a closer look I decided that I was not ready to front the 450$ for a coin die right now. Hopefully, I will learn how to make dies in the future.

However, I did order a supply of Edward III coins in pewter from a moneyer in the UK. He has a complete set of the Groat, 1/2 Groat, Penny, 1/2 penny and farthing. I am very impressed with the timeliness of the order and the quality of the coins. His prices are very good and I would recommend them. His web page is www.grunal.com and his e-mail address is Grunal@aol.com. The only drawback is that you will have to pay in a cashiers check in pounds sterling, but that is not to difficult.

I ordered enough so that 5 plus people can game and bet, I hope it will add a little more fun to gaming.


Hi,

David Kuijt, an SCA member in Virginia, has made a die (I think), and was making coins a few years ago. I have a huge bag full of coins that I got from him or else gambling with others in that area. They aren't perfect, but they're very nice, and they add realism to your games of chance.

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Hugh Knight
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Phillipe de Pamiers
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posted 05-08-2002 12:29 PM     Profile for Phillipe de Pamiers   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
First question: Does any one have a good technique for aging pewter? I want to make some of the coins look as if they have been in circulation.

My first thought is to use India ink or a black wash.

Second question: What tool would have been used to cut down a penny to make change? I want to avoid any edge marks that would not be appropriate, for example the ridges left by some modern sheers.

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