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Topic: Bell Wedge Tents
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Phillipe de Pamiers
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posted 03-21-2002 08:52 AM
    
My wife and I have decided to get a Bell Wedge Tent for day and weekend events.Was the single bell wedge tent used circa 1375? I have seen references to the double bell wedge tent and am curious about the use of the single. We have decided that the second bell is not necessary for our needs but I do not want to buy a tent that I will regret later. -------------------- Phillipe de Pamiers
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hauptmann
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posted 03-21-2002 01:09 PM
I recommend you go with the double bell wedge, as it's seen in many illo's, but I can't recall even once seeing a single bell wedge. Near as I can recall, Tentsmiths developed theirs as a 16th century tent, and I think Panther followed suit, but they're not known for their research. I'd stay away from the single bell if I were you. You'll want the room the double bell provides anyway. Gwen and I lived in a medium-large double bell until I had our marquis made and it was cramped in the headroom department.
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Androu
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posted 06-17-2002 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by Ginevra:
Tabriz- that's middle eastern, right? I think Phillipe wants to to use this with his French portrayal, so we'd need to find a picture in a 14th C. Continental context.Gwen
Hi, Just wondering if anyone has found any good evidence of the double bell wedge in use anywhere in Europe anytime in the 14th century. I've been looking but haven't come across anything that looks like a true bell wedge from this period. The only good illustration I could find was from the 18th century! If anyone can point me to a 14th century illustration of a double bell wedge, I'd be very grateful. Thanks, Matt Anderson
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chef de chambre
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posted 06-17-2002 06:34 PM
Hi Androu,I have 15th century illustrations of -double bell wedges
-wedge tents (one source, Italian, mid century)
-bell tents The vast majority of tents depicted are pavillions and Marquis. This does not mean the others were not common, it is simply a matter of course for the artists to depict the important - you see great lords lodgings, not commoners. The single bell wedge is I think a 17th century invention, they certainly do not appear in Medival art.
Usually trents appear in manuscript illuminations. There is a radical change in the style of these illuminations in Northern Europe from the mid 14th - mid 15th centuries - illuminations from Northern France and Flanders from the mid 15th century onward are far more 'realistic', showing details that are ommited in 14th century and earlier works. IN short, you don't see a lot of 14th century illuminations depicting tents - most depict people in actiuon rather two dimensionaly, often on an abstract background of gold leaf with geometric patterns impressed on them. Not to say 15th century illuminations are 'realistic', perspective is skewed, while there are backgrounds they have more of a fairy-tale quality than a realistic representation of landscape. That said, the artists tended to depict small details of objects reasonably faithfully - not photographicaly, by any stretch, nor on a par with the early masters working on panels, but they give a decent idea of appearances. I really don't know where to go to get a visual clue for 14th century tents. -------------------- Bob R.
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Androu
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posted 06-18-2002 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by chef de chambre:
Hi Androu,I have 15th century illustrations of -double bell wedges
-wedge tents (one source, Italian, mid century)
-bell tents
Thanks Chef, I've seen a few illustrations of the double bell wedge from late 15th C but haven't seen anything from the 14th. Anyone have any idea of the origin of this type of tent, when/where do they first show up?
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