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Topic: The small biting things, and how to deal with them?
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Anne-Marie
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posted 07-31-2001 11:12 AM
    
hey all from Anne-Mariele Menagier (late 14th century minor nobility) says re: mosquitos.... "I have seen rooms laden with mosquitos, which, drawn by by the vapors of a sleeper's breath, sit on his face and sting so fiercely that he is forced to get up and light hay to make smoke so that they will die if they dont fly away. One can do this in the daytime, too, if he suspects there are mosquitos. Also, one can protect himself well with a mosquito net if he has one." Le Menagier also addresses flies and fleas. Interestingly, few of the methods discussed are chemical. They are mostly all passive, ie capture and kill, or prevent them from coming in. There's even instructions on how to make a fly strip out of a cord and honey  . gotta love those primary sources! --AM -------------------- "Let Good Come of It"
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Brenna
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posted 07-31-2001 04:07 PM
Wow, I wonder what type of weave/net/fabric would have been used as a 14th century mosquito net? I also wonder how finely woven it would be.Interesting thread! Brenna -------------------- Where in this world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, beauty without vanity? Here, where grace is laced with muscle, and strength by gentleness confined. He serves without servility; he has fought without enmity. There is nothing so powerful, nothing less violent; there is nothing so quick, nothing so patient. England's past has been borne on his back. All our history is his industry: we are his heirs, he is our inheritance. Ladies and gentlemen: The Horse! - Robert Duncan's "Tribute to the Horse"
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Anne-Marie
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posted 08-01-2001 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by Brenna:
Wow, I wonder what type of weave/net/fabric would have been used as a 14th century mosquito net? I also wonder how finely woven it would be.Interesting thread! Brenna
woven? or netted? the two techniques are very different, and were done by different people in the 14th/15th century (that pesky guild structure again). some of the extant bits of net are pretty fine...(not mosquito fine, but then would they have surived?) --AM -------------------- "Let Good Come of It"
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Brenna
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posted 08-02-2001 10:08 AM
Does anyone know if it was woven or netted for that matter?I have seen cloth of gold gauze (cloth of gold warp, silk weft) from the 17th century that was finely enough woven to be transparent. I just wonder what a 14th century mosquito net looked like.
Brenna -------------------- Where in this world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, beauty without vanity? Here, where grace is laced with muscle, and strength by gentleness confined. He serves without servility; he has fought without enmity. There is nothing so powerful, nothing less violent; there is nothing so quick, nothing so patient. England's past has been borne on his back. All our history is his industry: we are his heirs, he is our inheritance. Ladies and gentlemen: The Horse! - Robert Duncan's "Tribute to the Horse"
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Anne-Marie
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posted 08-02-2001 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by Brenna:
Does anyone know if it was woven or netted for that matter?I have seen cloth of gold gauze (cloth of gold warp, silk weft) from the 17th century that was finely enough woven to be transparent. I just wonder what a 14th century mosquito net looked like.
Brenna
true, we'll never know for sure until we find an extant example, but the noun "net" in the term "mosquito netting" suggests a process as well as an object to me. I'll look at the original medieval french and see if there's any hint in there, as well.... --AM -------------------- "Let Good Come of It"
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Brenna
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posted 08-03-2001 09:18 AM
The research into the medieval french might be helpful. quote:
le Menagier (late 14th century minor nobility) says re: mosquitos...."I have seen rooms laden with mosquitos, which, drawn by by the vapors of a sleeper's breath, sit on his face and sting so fiercely that he is forced to get up and light hay to make smoke so that they will die if they dont fly away. One can do this in the daytime, too, if he suspects there are mosquitos. Also, one can protect himself well with a mosquito net if he has one."
I'm also wondering about the translation. Is "net" an appropriate word? I don't read French AT ALL so I will always have to use a translation for documentation. It would be interesting to see what someone who could read 14th century French has to say. Brenna -------------------- Where in this world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, beauty without vanity? Here, where grace is laced with muscle, and strength by gentleness confined. He serves without servility; he has fought without enmity. There is nothing so powerful, nothing less violent; there is nothing so quick, nothing so patient. England's past has been borne on his back. All our history is his industry: we are his heirs, he is our inheritance. Ladies and gentlemen: The Horse! - Robert Duncan's "Tribute to the Horse"
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