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Stephen atte Smythe
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posted 07-25-2001 12:09 PM     Profile for Stephen atte Smythe   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Crossposted to AA:

Ok, so I'm going to spend some time working on more garb this weekend, and I need some advice. I currently use a machine for expediency (I know, bad Maun), and this will be no exception.

My problem is with unravelling fabric. I'm really tired of having to cut strings out of my tunics every time I wash them. My current method of locking the edge, which is apparently inadequate, is to run a zig-zag stitch along the edge of the fabric to try to hold it together. I figured that it would unravel for a bit, but then pretty much stop. Not so far...

So, I figured that as long as I was going to do something different, I ought to at least find out what was done in period. More specifically, c.1201 southern England (Kent). I figure that the edge of the fabric was probably just rolled and stitched (whip-stitched even) over. Am I close?

I guess I'm asking for two things:

  • A modern method of stopping the edges from fraying that I can do quickly and reliably.
  • An appropriate, historical method, that I may learn something in the process and do it the right way next time.
If they happen to be the same, woo hoo!

For reference, I'm making a tunic based on a Boksten pattern and modified to match Maciejowski Bible pictures (adding buttoned sleeves, for instance). I'm using medium-weight linen.

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AnnaRidley
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posted 07-25-2001 12:46 PM     Profile for AnnaRidley   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Afraid i can't really help on the modern finisheds. I'm not particualry happy with any of the various options I've tried on the machine. This is why I tend to get people who have sergers to make my clothing.

Historically
There are a number of seams and finishing techniques described in the MOL Textiles and Clothing book, I'll try to post descriptions from it tonight if nobody is able to before.

On-Line
The Buesholm household in NZ has some articles up on medieval scandinavian clothing and textiles. Among them is a transalation of a danish article on the Viborg shirt and The Viborg seams - images of the seams used on the Viborg shirt. One of the really cool things about this 11th century shirt is that it is linen which definately has different fraying properties than wool which is much more comon to find.


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Nikki
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posted 07-25-2001 02:14 PM     Profile for Nikki   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
There are also discussions in _Textile Production at 16-22 Coppergate_ (the Archaeology of York series, v17). My copy is at home, but I am quite sure that all of the linen finds from Coppergate were done with what they called a run-and-fell seam, which is basically the seam shown in figure 3b on the Viborg page.

I suppose you could 'cheat' on the run-and-fell seam by making the running stitch part on the machine (ie, sew a normal seam), then trim one of the seam edges, and press and stitch the fell (folded) seam edge. I have started using this type of seam on linens, and it works very nicely, it is reversible and doesnt fray at all. The felling stitch is really quite quick to do by hand - the only thing is that you really really should press the seam prior to doing this.

Woolens were a different matter, I'll try and remember to look up the quote on that from _16-22 Coppergate_, as I found it somewhat amusing.

If you're looking for a quick-and-dirty method to go with your already-frayed seams, I'll suggest going to a fabric store and getting a little bottle of no-fray-goo. There are probably several brands, and I've never used the stuff, but it comes in little squirt bottles and IIRC you just run a tiny bit along the fraying edge of the seam, and voila! all fixed, goes thru the wash and everything. I'm sure the fabric store people would know what the stuff is if you asked them.


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Gwen
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posted 07-25-2001 02:15 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
If period construction isn't the aim so much as making a sturdy garment that will survive a reasonable amount of time, I'd suggest calling your friends and finding out if any of them have a serger they'd let you use. Failing that,I'd suggest zigzagging over the very oustide edge of the seam. Use as wide a stitch as your machine will do, spanning as many threads as possible. If you just grab the outside 3 or 4 rows of threads, the seam will unravel just about as quickly as if you hadn't zigged it at all.

As for "historical accuracy"- if you're going to use a sewing machine, it doesn't matter what kind of machine you use, it's still not historically correct. Don't let anyone give you grief about using a serger because it's "not period"- the straight stitch Singer they're using isn't period either. Same goes for french seaming- it's not a period technique. It may look nicer than serging or zigzagging, but it's still a Victorian sewing technique.

Since time is a factor, my advice is to use the serger or straight stitch/zigzag combo to construct and clean finish the seams that don't show, and do any stitching that does show by hand. Your friends will be impressed because they'll assume if the stitching that shows is hand done, the rest is too.

My 2¢

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Gwen
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posted 07-25-2001 02:16 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
If period construction isn't the aim so much as making a sturdy garment that will survive a reasonable amount of time, I'd suggest calling your friends and finding out if any of them have a serger they'd let you use. Failing that,I'd suggest zigzagging over the very oustide edge of the seam. Use as wide a stitch as your machine will do, spanning as many threads as possible. If you just grab the outside 3 or 4 rows of threads, the seam will unravel just about as quickly as if you hadn't zigged it at all.

As for "historical accuracy"- if you're going to use a sewing machine, it doesn't matter what kind of machine you use, it's still not historically correct. Don't let anyone give you grief about using a serger because it's "not period"- the straight stitch Singer they're using isn't period either. Same goes for french seaming- it's not a period technique. It may look nicer than serging or zigzagging, but it's still a Victorian sewing technique.

Since time is a factor, my advice is to use the serger or straight stitch/zigzag combo to construct and clean finish the seams that don't show, and do any stitching that does show by hand. Your friends will be impressed because they'll assume if the stitching that shows is hand done, the rest is too.

My 2¢

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Gwen
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posted 07-25-2001 04:10 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Addendum-

I noticed that someone over on the AA suggested Fray Check- DON'T DO IT!

Fray check is an extremely useful substance in some applications, but unless you want all of your seams to feel like sandpaper against your skin, don't use it to seal seams.

The other suggestion was Fray Guard, which doesn't dry as rough and scratchy, but it is like fabric paint and will make the seams stiff and they will lay funny.

If the garment is already constructed, going over the seams with the zig zag will certainly help prevent them from further deterioration. Heck, go over them twice if you have to, once in the middle of the seam and once enclosing the edge.

It should have been mentioned earlier on that your seam allowance should be at least 1/2" when you make up garments, so you have some margin for error if the seam starts ravelling out.

If you're going to be at Pennsic, stop by the booth later in the week when things slow down and I'll be happy to spend some time teaching you period seaming techniques.

Gwen


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Stephen atte Smythe
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posted 07-25-2001 04:29 PM     Profile for Stephen atte Smythe   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Wow, lotsa helpful stuff here! I'll certainly be in a better position to do it right next time...

quote:
Originally posted by Ginevra:
It should have been mentioned earlier on that your seam allowance should be at least 1/2" when you make up garments, so you have some margin for error if the seam starts ravelling out.
Actually, I use 5/8" already, so there's no problem there.
quote:
If you're going to be at Pennsic, stop by the booth later in the week when things slow down and I'll be happy to spend some time teaching you period seaming techniques.

Damn, how can I pass up an offer like that? Hope to see you there!

Stephen atte Smythe


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Nikki
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posted 07-25-2001 07:49 PM     Profile for Nikki   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
This is from _Textile Production at 16-22 Coppergate_, AY v17 f11:

"Wool fabrics were stitched in a variety of techniques, sometimes neatly executed, but often rather rough-and-ready. It is difficult to believe that the same hands could have stitched the linens which are all very competently made in a standardized fashion, with flat hems and the reversible flat seam known nowadays as 'run-and-fell'. An essential part of constructing a run-and-fell seam is to press the seam open and then to press the seam wastage to one side - the seam will not hang properly otherwise - and it is likely that the slick-stones were used for this purpose. The contrast between the wool and linen seams may indicate that the manufacture of linen garments was already a specialist craft."

Unfortunately, the description of the garment fragments on which this is based is described in a different volume that I dont have here - AY v17 f5, _Textiles, Cordage, and Raw Fibre from 16-22 Coppergate_, P Walton 1989, and the site has finds from AngloScandinavian to post-Medieval.

I'm personally fond of complete handstitching, its rather trancelike and strangely addictive, plus it makes vegging in front of the tv more productive, although books-on-tape are even better. However, this does make things like lined 12-gore dresses with finished seams take a month or two to finish..... but it also keeps ones closet under control.


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Stephen atte Smythe
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posted 07-30-2001 05:57 PM     Profile for Stephen atte Smythe   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well, I tried on Friday to do a pair of linen hose with a flat-felled seam. The operative word is try.

Ahwell. I'll try again tonight. Things I've learned so far:

  • Woven linen does not stretch as much as double-knit wool (even on the bias)
  • When laying a piece out and tracing it, leave more fabric than you think you'll need as a seam allowance - you'll need it.
  • You can't run a flat-felled seam on a piece that long on a machine. Or at least, not on my machine.
More as I learn it...
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Stephen atte Smythe
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posted 08-06-2001 06:00 PM     Profile for Stephen atte Smythe   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Success!

It took about 4 hours per leg to sew, but I finally got them done. I did flat-felled seams down the back of the leg. The first line of stitching, I did on the machine - that was the fast part.

The rest took much, much longer, but I'm proud of the results. I'm going to cry the first time I pop a thread on these things, but such is life, I suppose.

Now I just need to finish the top and add the toe...4 days 'til I leave...

Stephen atte Smythe


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Reinhard von Lowenhaupt
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posted 08-06-2001 06:48 PM     Profile for Reinhard von Lowenhaupt   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Try using silk thread, you'll tear the cloth before you 'pop a seam'.

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Stephen atte Smythe
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posted 08-07-2001 01:33 PM     Profile for Stephen atte Smythe   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Reinhard von Lowenhaupt:
Try using silk thread, you'll tear the cloth before you 'pop a seam'.

Yes, that would be so much better... :P

Stephen atte Smythe


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