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Friedrich
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posted 07-02-2001 12:31 AM     Profile for Friedrich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Gwen, a year plus back I dug up an old forum post regarding a period(ish) firebox you had made for Red Company to do cooking presentations. Making the presumption that this was to keep the fire from damaging property or to comply with local fire code, can you describe what you made and how? Any changes you would make?

I'm looking to do the same for WA and a firebox as you described it (then) would make sense.

Any good pictures?

Suggestions from anyone?

FvH

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Gwen
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posted 07-02-2001 01:11 AM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hmmm.........what did I say about it then? I don't remember...

Jeff made the firebox a LONG time ago for cooking at SCA events. Now we use it for school demos and the Vegas Faire, never at our reenactment events. We've let it get very rusty and used looking which to my mind makes it less noticeable. It works just fine the way it is, I just hate to use it because it isn't historical at all.

The thing is extremely basic- a box about 36" X 24" and about 8-10" deep, with legs that keep it about 10" off the ground. The ends are perpendicular to the bottom and the long sides cant out a few degrees from perpendicular.

I looked around and can't find any pictures, but I'd be happy to take one and send it to you soon. I have to prepare for an event this week so may forget. If you have not seen anything by next Tuesday, please email me and remind me about it.

Gwen


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Anne-Marie
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posted 07-02-2001 10:08 AM     Profile for Anne-Marie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have a large firebox much like the one Gwen and Co use. its very good for cooking large amounts of food, but its big, heavy and not very medieval.

I also have a smaller brazier made for me by Mark Shier. He based it on some examples he saw in 14th and 15th century paintings. Its also much like the small brazier in Scappi.

theres' a photo of it at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MedievalEncampments/files/Braziers/Anne-Marie%27sbrazier.jpg

its just the right size to fit one pot, and its easy to pack in my heavily overloaded Corolla .

I've got a blacksmith friends making me some "carrying hooks" so I can move it with a fire in it (I'm hoping I can put it in my canvas tent and use it as a warmer without suffocating!)

anyway, both types of fireboxes/braziers have their uses. Here in Washington State, its VERY unusual for us to be allowed to make ground fires, and even if the site allowed it, the SCA event usually around us doesnt.

--AM

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Ron M
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posted 07-02-2001 10:19 PM     Profile for Ron M   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey AM- I tried to check out the brazier, but I wasn't accepted on your groups website (I showered, so body odor isn't the problem).I'll go brush my teeth and see if that works.

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Friedrich
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posted 07-02-2001 10:26 PM     Profile for Friedrich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
You have to be a member of the group to be able to see it. I signed on and then could access it. It's a yahoo elist thing.
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Anne-Marie
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posted 07-03-2001 11:25 AM     Profile for Anne-Marie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Friedrich:
You have to be a member of the group to be able to see it. I signed on and then could access it. It's a yahoo elist thing.

if someone is more savvy than I, feel free to make a copy of the photo and post it here? (its my brazier, I assume I can give permission like that )

-_AM

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Bob Hurley
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posted 07-03-2001 04:09 PM     Profile for Bob Hurley     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
How's this:
http://www.bobhurley.net/firestryker/Gaukler_brazier_for_Anne-Marie_14th-15thC.JPG

I converted it to a jpg file, it's about one-tenth the size now to help those with dialup connections.

I'd love to see some of the documentation he used, I've had no luck trying to find a period depiction or reasonable description.

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Gwen
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posted 07-03-2001 07:11 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey, and that's your birthday flesh hook!

(That's how things go around here, I give my best friend a flesh hook for her birthday )

The brazier shape doesn't look familiar, do you know what Mark based it on? I was expecting the little guy on wheels from the "Justice of Otto / Ordeal by fire" by Dirk Bouts, but its not that one.

Gwen


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Anne-Marie
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posted 07-04-2001 12:32 PM     Profile for Anne-Marie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ginevra:
Hey, and that's your birthday flesh hook!

(That's how things go around here, I give my best friend a flesh hook for her birthday )

The brazier shape doesn't look familiar, do you know what Mark based it on? I was expecting the little guy on wheels from the "Justice of Otto / Ordeal by fire" by Dirk Bouts, but its not that one.

Gwen


I love my fleshhook

re: documentation, you'd have to ask Mark for specifics, but I remember seeing one or two similar ones in your Italian Interiors book and one in Scappi.

The original apparently has little wheels on it

-AM

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gaukler
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posted 07-05-2001 04:16 PM     Profile for gaukler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Here is the link to my documentation: http://medievalwares.com/Braziers/Braziers.htm , with pictures of my kludge (really converted to jpg this time, not just a changed file extension ) and two period braziers.
mark

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Gwen
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posted 07-05-2001 06:10 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks for the info!

You say that AM's version doesn't work as well as the originals- why do you think that is so? Do you think it was the addition of the sheet metal box? And how do you think the fire was contained in the originals? They don't have much of a bottom!

Gwen


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Bob Hurley
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posted 07-05-2001 08:48 PM     Profile for Bob Hurley     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Mark, thank you very much!
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Anne-Marie
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posted 07-06-2001 03:02 AM     Profile for Anne-Marie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
funny, neither of the pictures Mark shares with us are the ones I know about!

I need to do some digging...Gwen I swear I remember a picture in your Italian Interiors book....

--AM, who thinks her brazier is just the CUTEST

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gaukler
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posted 07-06-2001 01:39 PM     Profile for gaukler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ginevra- as my page says, both fireboxes work quite well. I put in the sheet metal because I wanted to meet the site standards, and because the 13C brazier shows remains of a sheet metal box. I've used both boxes with charcoal to do pewter casting, as well as for cooking. Anne-Marie's box has a hole in one side for bellows.
The kludge is that I'm using an upper class room heater as a middle/lower class outdoor cooking hearth.
mark

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