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Nikki
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posted 06-13-2001 08:40 AM     Profile for Nikki   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I'm looking to find out what colors womens hosen were dyed. Most of the illustrations that actually show to the knee (or higher)are of women who are barefoot and/or barelegged. For instance, the February Tres Riches Heures du Duc de Berry, where the two women have shoes but no easily apparent hosen (altho the man does). Anyone remember seeing visible hosen anywhere?
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Anne-Marie
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posted 06-13-2001 10:23 AM     Profile for Anne-Marie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Nikki:
I'm looking to find out what colors womens hosen were dyed. Most of the illustrations that actually show to the knee (or higher)are of women who are barefoot and/or barelegged. For instance, the February Tres Riches Heures du Duc de Berry, where the two women have shoes but no easily apparent hosen (altho the man does). Anyone remember seeing visible hosen anywhere?

actually, in one version of this picture, the woman in the foreground appears to be wearing flesh/natural colored stockings....there's a thin line just below her knee visible in my copy! (I assume its a factor of the reprint, etc).

also, "despair" in the King Renee book appears to be wearing black hose (long ones, with the points still attatched...where does she tie them up????)

my other two pieces of womesn hose data are line drawings

has anyone else found any others?

--AM, who has taken it upon herself to "collect" womens hose pictoral data

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Nikki
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posted 07-21-2001 09:55 AM     Profile for Nikki   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Found one! This is from _Tacuinum Sanitatis_ Luisa Arano, 1973. The Plate appears to be (the text is Italian, I could be wrong here) from the Rouen version of the Tacuinum, page? 20, "Caules Onati". The woman is clearly wearing red-colored stockings:

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Anne-Marie
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posted 07-23-2001 10:21 AM     Profile for Anne-Marie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Nikki:
Found one! This is from _Tacuinum Sanitatis_ Luisa Arano, 1973. The Plate appears to be (the text is Italian, I could be wrong here) from the Rouen version of the Tacuinum, page? 20, "Caules Onati". The woman is clearly wearing red-colored stockings:

here



woo hoo! another piece of data!

I figure eventually we'll have a really good collection....

thanks NIkki!
--AM

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LHF
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posted 07-23-2001 05:37 PM     Profile for LHF   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
i found some info in Hispanic Costume 1480-1530 by Ruth Maltilde Anderson. for our time period hose were made either of wools or linens. the colours stated were red, rose-red, white, mauve, or pumpkin yellow. two paintings mentioned for reference were Torre's Vision delectable (1477) and Berruguette's Birth of the Virgin (1490). does this help?

have fun,

daniel

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Nikki
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posted 07-23-2001 06:22 PM     Profile for Nikki   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
also, looking closely at a high-quality paper copy of the September Tres Riches Heures, (the grape harvest one), the woman in the lower left corner, with the multiple tucked dresses, seems to have grey/brown hosen, if you peer carefully amongst the grape vines. I only noticed this the other day, since most copies of this are not at good enough resolution to distinguish this area, and it is still difficult enough to see that I could be mistaken. Anyone else have a high-quality copy of this who could voice an opinion as to whether I am hallucinating the things, or not?
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Stella
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posted 08-30-2001 05:20 PM     Profile for Stella     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
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also, "despair" in the King Renee book appears to be wearing black hose (long ones, with the points still attatched...where does she tie them up????)

Hi, I am totally new to this list. I am from New Zealand and am working towards becoming a medieval clothing historian.
Anyway, I know this picture, it really is quite amazing. It appears to me that the hose are normal short ones (kneehigh) and there is a red ribbon sewn at it's center to the back seam of the hose (so there are two equal lengths). Then when the hose is pulled up you wrap the ribbon around your calf and tie it at the front. It is so clever becasue you will never lose your garter and never have problems with it falling down! I am almost certain that this is what is depicted.
I saw another picture recently (sorry cant give refs right now) that show a ribbon garter tied at the front of the leg.
Stella.


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Marianne
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posted 09-29-2001 09:30 AM     Profile for Marianne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Nikki:
also, looking closely at a high-quality paper copy of the September Tres Riches Heures, (the grape harvest one), the woman in the lower left corner, with the multiple tucked dresses, seems to have grey/brown hosen, if you peer carefully amongst the grape vines. I only noticed this the other day, since most copies of this are not at good enough resolution to distinguish this area, and it is still difficult enough to see that I could be mistaken. Anyone else have a high-quality copy of this who could voice an opinion as to whether I am hallucinating the things, or not?

That one looks brown to me, and much darker than what looks to be the bare-leg of the man kneeling down.

As for the February woman, the one closest to the bed seems to be wearing rose-colored hose, knee-high but rolled. The woman in the foreground could be wearing light-brown hose, or or it could be her skin (but I favour brown hose).

These match with the data someone mentioned from Hispanic Costume, so I'd guess they're reasonable choices.
I have a good copy with small images of the whole pages, but nice enlargements of details, a French edition published by Seghers.

All the best,


Marianne
who still has to get herself some hose...


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Nikki
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posted 10-11-2001 06:30 PM     Profile for Nikki   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Another one...this time in blue (well, alright, a saint is wearing them, but so is the woman next to the saint...) in another painting by Fouquet
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Anne-Marie
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posted 10-12-2001 03:03 AM     Profile for Anne-Marie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Nikki:
Another one...this time in blue (well, alright, a saint is wearing them, but so is the woman next to the saint...) in another painting by Fouquet

dingdingdingdingding!

whats that now, six?

--AM, who just finished a pair of purple and a pair with one red leg and one brown leg (didnt have enough wool to do two of each )

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posted 10-12-2001 03:08 AM     Profile for Anne-Marie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
http://www.abcgallery.com/F/fouquet/fouquet4.html

is another one...the maidservant is wearing pretty red stockings with yellow shoes. very stylish!

--AM

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