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Nikki
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Member # 27

posted 05-08-2001 10:50 PM

So, I'm look for examples of pin-on sleeves for *lower class* women around 1460-ish, preferably English.

I've got a short-sleeved laced-front dress, the sort that seems to be used with the pin-on sleeves, and I'm thinking of making sleeves for it this summer, and not sure what kind of fabric to get, or if I should use the same stuff that I made the dress out of. Wool, I am presuming (as is the dress), but I want to know if I should stick with the same or similar color as the dress if I get a different fabric. It would also be nice to know how fine the fabric should be, but I'm realistically not expecting to be able to find that out, at least not specifically.

I know I've seen lots of pictures of pin-on sleeves, but the only ones I can think of right now are fancy brocade sleeves and expensive stuff like that. Anyone know of any examples in art, or have other handy references?

ps. the dress looks like the woman in blue in the middle of :

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Nikki
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Member # 27

posted 06-13-2001 03:49 PM

*bump*

Well, this thread hasn't gotten very far.

Let me change the question a little bit:
So what do you use for pin-on sleeves
(color/fabric) ?

I'm going to add a little context here as to
why-all-the-color-questions: I've got a subscription
this summer to an herbal CSA (community-supported agriculture,
you buy a share of the crop of a small farm pre-season,
and get regular delivery of whatever's ripe throughout the summer)
including a dye-herb package. So later this summer when they are ripe,
I'm going to have a mess of fresh natural dyes to play with, including some
period ones. So I'm looking for small pieces that I can dye experimentally,
with a maximum of about 1 yd of fabric that will fit into the dyepot
and dye evenly. I figured hosen, sleeves, hats, pouches would be
good bets. But if I'm going to actually have something dyed "right"
(or closer to right than the chemical dyes from the fabric store)
the color of the item should be appropriate to its use.

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AnnaRidley
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Member # 97

posted 06-13-2001 11:39 PM

I'll keep looking but here's one that I found...

Rogier van der Weyden - The Seven Sacraments (central panel detail) c. 1445 http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/art/w/weyden/altar1/sevensa6.jpg

One thing to keep in mind, especially if you are looking at manuscript miniatures, is that pigment colors are not the same as dye colors. So even if you were able to get a large enough sample to suggest frequency of use of a particular color there's no garuntee that the frequency of actual garment colors would be the same. I think you would get more benefit from looking at combinations of colors for ideas on what to dye your small lots. So if you have a blue dress, what other colors were combined in outfits with blue. From having looked at tons of images from the period no one color really gets my hackles up, its more the combinations of colors that make things look modern.

Mitake.

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Anne-Marie
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Member # 8

posted 06-15-2001 10:35 AM

Nikki shows us the la maisnie "mascots"

and asks about dyeing fabric...

I ahve access to an extremely knowledgable person in natural and period dyes. She grows woad in her backyard as well as madder, etc and has gotten all kinds of lovely colors. (woad is WAY cool). She's also a King Country Master Gardener (hence the special dispensation from the County on her being able to grow the otherwise illegal woad).

if you're interested, I can get you two in touch....

--AM, who has dabbled with natural dyes, but now just asks Paula...

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