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Bob Hurley
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posted 05-01-2001 10:35 PM     Profile for Bob Hurley     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
A friend who is a Rev. War reinactor showed me a while back how to start a fire with flint and steel, but I'm unclear on what he told me about making charcloth.

Has anyone here done it and would share their method?


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Gwen
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posted 05-02-2001 01:23 AM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I understand it is somethjing along the lines of sealing linen scraps into a can or other closed environment and heating said environment up to the point that the fabric is carbonized without being consumed.

Jeff knows how, so if you'll bump this when we get back from our event on Tuesday, I'll have him post the method.

Gwen


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Anne-Marie
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posted 05-02-2001 01:28 AM     Profile for Anne-Marie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
the charcloth I made (which seemed to work pretty good) was small linen squares (well washed linen worked best) put into a film can (the round metal kind) and stuck in the fire at the start of cooking dinner. By the next morning we had charcloth.

it doesnt work with wool, by the way , and the cotton flannel patches they sell for blackpowder folks work pretty well too.

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Phillipe de Pamiers
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posted 05-02-2001 08:34 AM     Profile for Phillipe de Pamiers   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
1) Take a shoe polish can, or a paint can, and poke a hole in the top w/a roofing nail. Keep the nail you will need it later.
2) Take small pieces of linen (gun patches work great, so do modern military cleaning patches). Place the cloth into the can, do not cram them in but make it a snug fit.
3) Close the can and place it in the fire. As the can heats up take a flame source and place it over the hole, it should light on fire. Allow it to "burn off" and then take the can from the fire.
4) Take the nail that you poked your hole with and place it back in the hole. Leave over night. When you open the can you should have black linen patches the feel kind of oily.

You should now have char cloth.

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Doug Strong
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posted 05-02-2001 09:50 AM     Profile for Doug Strong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Great! Very detailed Phillipe (nice to see you here, by the way.) Now forgive my "dashing urbanite" ignorance but how do I start a fire?

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posted 05-02-2001 10:15 AM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
With fusil & briquette -

Flint & steel. I understand tow works well for tinder.

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Phillipe de Pamiers
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posted 05-02-2001 11:18 AM     Profile for Phillipe de Pamiers   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Take the char cloth and some dry grass or leaves. Make a little nest and strike your flint with steel, getting the sparks to hit the charcloth. The charcloth will get everything going pretty well. Add this to the pre-built teepee structure and pray.

The charcloth will smolder until you give it some extras oxegyn. The stuff is great.

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Buran
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posted 05-02-2001 01:24 PM     Profile for Buran   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Scads of information on the web: http://members.aye.net/~bspen/fire.html http://www.li.net/~semencic/twelfth.htm http://www.hollowtop.com/hopsstore_html/bowdrill.htm http://www.hollowtop.com/spt_html/spt.html http://www.uqac.uquebec.ca/PleinAir/firstfl1.htm http://www.ragweedforge.com/striking.html

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Bob Hurley
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posted 05-02-2001 09:31 PM     Profile for Bob Hurley     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thank you all! It's amazing that there are so many different ways of doing it, I think I'll experiment and see which one works for me.
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Bob Hurley
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posted 05-03-2001 10:37 AM     Profile for Bob Hurley     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I made some charcloth today, it turned out fine. I used the "hole in can, don't light gases, remove and plug when smoke stops issuing from the hole" (whew) method.

I suspect the other methods work just as well.

Now, I've got to get sharper at selecting starting tinder, the shredded bark I used didn't work.


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Buran
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posted 05-03-2001 12:59 PM     Profile for Buran   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by chef de chambre:
With fusil & briquette -

Flint & steel. I understand tow works well for tinder.



Fusil and briquette - are these old words for flint and steel, and if so which one's which?

Fusil is the modern French word for rifle, non? Sounds like a barbeque for French marksmen...

BTW...
I had no success before with this technology until I realized that the flint is used to strike glowing chips off the steel, rather than the other way around. Oops!

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gaukler
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posted 05-03-2001 02:46 PM     Profile for gaukler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I've been told that the can/charcloth tinder is modern- afeter all, it requires a tin can for its production.
A fairly reliable source prefers the flat fungus that grows on birch trees, pounded to bits, and boiled in urine for three days (replinish urine as needed), then boiled dry. It apparently catches a spark very well (lots of nitrates) but smells just awful. Claimed to be a period recipe.
See http://www.uio.no/conferences/imc7/NFotm2000/January2000.htm for the Norwegian Fungus of the Month.
"The substance of the lung is dilatable and extensible like the tinder made from a fungus. But it is spongy and if you press it, it yields to the
force which compresses it, and if the force is removed, it increases again to its original size." -- Leonardo da Vinci, late 15th century ( quoted on a Stanford web site).
On the Iceman:"As Matt
Ridley reports,

When the 5,000-year-old mummified corpse of a fully equipped Neolithic man
turned up in a melting glacier high in the Tyrolean Alps in 1991, the variety and
sophistication of his equipment was astonishing.
... a copper ax, a yew-
wood bow, a quiver and fourteen cornus-wood arrows, he also carried a tinder
fungus for lighting fires,... " http://www.lincstrust.co.uk/species/fungi/hoof.html http://www.zetatalk.com/shelter/tshlt06n.htm

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Phillipe de Pamiers
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posted 05-03-2001 03:45 PM     Profile for Phillipe de Pamiers   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
A friend of mine, Nicolli, made some. The thought of him boiling fungus in Urine for three days was very amusing, keeping the pot full and all. I guess the aroma caused a bit of a scene when Master Jaemes proceded to test the final product in a bar full of people.

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jsmart
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posted 05-03-2001 05:41 PM     Profile for jsmart   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
y'know...
used dryer lint makes a great tinder also...
jsmart

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Bob Hurley
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posted 05-03-2001 06:11 PM     Profile for Bob Hurley     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jsmart:
y'know...
used dryer lint makes a great tinder also...
jsmart

Ah, must be the medievalist mindset. Since I didn't have any tow I decided to wash some new linen I had just to get the dryer lint. (I always wash before I sew it, anyway).


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jsmart
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posted 05-03-2001 10:17 PM     Profile for jsmart   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
yep, must be .......
and being so tight with money because of this hobby, i squeak when i walk....
cheers,
jsmart

ps this year we are growing some flax to attempt to "tow" it later


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