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Marcus
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posted 04-09-2001 03:44 PM
    
Gwen,Thanks for the link, I've been looking for such things...are the patterns for the shirt and doublet good as well? Also, are the patterns located at:
http://www.sewingcentral.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=renais.html&cart_id=4202716.12705 any good? In particular, I am looking at: PP43/P Period Patterns #43: Men's Italian Renaissance c.1420 - 1500. This pattern has 3 doublets, 3 shirts, 3 hose, 2 codpieces, a tabard and a gown. This pattern contains men's sizes 36 - 48. $21.00 I really want to do my own work, but I must admit I'm not the greatest tailor in the world  My mother in law is a seamstress and will help me out I'm sure, but I want to do as much as possible myself. Also, would these all be fine for a Spaniard, circa 1479? Thanks! Marcus
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Dave Key
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posted 04-17-2001 08:52 AM
The hose pattern is interesting, as it may well hell in one of my pet hates with most re-enactors hose ... they are based on cloth with a width far greater than the average medieval cloth used. As to the cod piece ... standard line .... they ought to read Peter Idley's Instructions for his son.The doublet. Classic c16th ... classic c15th re-enactor ... NO classic C15th. Look at almost any illustration of the back of a c15th doublet and you'll see a centre-back seam and a deep 'v' collar ... neither of which feature in c16th doublets. Additionally the addition of 'skirts' to the doublet is classic c15ht and would, I believe, be uncommon in almost any c15th context. The key to this is that in this doublet the points attach internally at the waist (a very c16th thing .... both in terms of where they attach and how). In the c15th the points atach at the hip rather than the waist and to the bottom edge of the doublet rather than part way up (aargh I hate generalizing like this). The Shirt.
The basic shape is fine ... the problem is that this looks like a draw-string neck line ... avoid this like the plague. For almost all c15th northern european shirts a simple slit across the shoulder sufficient for the hread to get through is enough, or a simple center-front slit wth a smaller neck opening.
The simple shoulder slit will fold over when the doublet is closed producing the characterisitc fold seen in a lot of Flemish paintings ... this is not gathered it is simply folds of cloth naturally produced by the tightening of the doublet collar. Hope that helps.
Cheers
Dave
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Fire Stryker
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posted 09-25-2001 01:09 PM
Hi Gwen, the link still works. You have to go fish around for the patterns though. It is a catalog look up and may have a "time" limit on the link generated. It will take you to the main page, just click the patterns button. It took a while on a T-1 for the page to load, could just be a fair amount of Net traffic today. Once you get to the page, just follow the links until you get to patterns for the High Middle ages, though if the image is correct, I think it was under "Fighting Men's clothing" the hose might be a 14thc pattern. I didn't see a doublet pattern. I might have followed the wrong path through the site. Any hoo... it works. Jenn -------------------- ad finem fidelis
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Buran
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posted 09-25-2001 01:13 PM
Sorry. Even the host site is whacked.
On Sewing Central, I got from them a pattern for a man's 11th century tunic. The skirt is all-of-a-piece, rather than crafted of a straight-sided piece and gores. Also the neck treatment is a yoke arrangement, with a seam across the breast. This is undocumented. http://www.geocities.com/baldurstrand/tunic.html
Can't speak for later periods.
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Originally posted by Ginevra:
I can't seem to make this hose pattern link come up any more. Any of you web gurus have any ideas?Gwen
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Gwen
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posted 09-25-2001 02:29 PM
Jenn- The link I was looking for was the original one I posted to the UK site. I think Jamie had posted it originally.**Personal opinion follows** "Period Patterns" are horrible, not in the least bit accurate, are difficult to work with, confusing, and the end result bears almost no resemblance to the picture. A big "BLECH" on them! Avoid them at all costs! Buran- Have you seen Naomi Tarrant's book on costume history? If not, it's definitely worth tracking down, as she traces the evolution of clothing cuts starting with the earliest Iron Age stuff. **Very** excellent reference. Owen-Crocker is pretty good, but I'd like to see fewer bad redraws and more archaeological stuff. But that's just me.... Gwen
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Fire Stryker
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posted 09-25-2001 09:06 PM
Sorry Gwen, I misinterpreted which URL you were looking for.  In any case, apparently the site has put up a completely "blank" webpage. Bizarre. The fix has to occur on the owner's end. Ah well... [ 09-25-2001: Message edited by: Fire Stryker ] -------------------- ad finem fidelis
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Marianne
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posted 09-29-2001 09:24 AM
Sorry to post this here but the e-mail bounced.  quote:
>Also, would these all be fine for a >Spaniard, circa 1479? Thanks!>Marcus
>AKA Woeg
Are you really going for re-enactment/recreation of a 1479 Spaniard? I
ask because I'm very interested in Spain in the 1470s and it would be nice to have someone that close in time/space to exchange notes and sources with from time to time. All the best,
Marianne
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