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Greyholt
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posted 12-28-2000 03:08 AM
    
Hi, everybody. Thanks for all the knowledgeable replies you've given me so far.A question... What is this guy wearing under his coat? If it's some form of doublet, how is it put on? Or is it just an artist's interpretation?
http://sites.netscape.net/tkekona/Doublet.jpg Here's a second pic http://sites.netscape.net/tkekona/Doublet2.jpg
I'm presently working on some 15thc. gear and any light you could shed on this matter would help greatly!
Thanks...........Greyholt
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hauptfrau
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posted 12-28-2000 11:05 AM
Here's my 2d-The Burgundians wear some form of doublet arrangement that laces across an undergarment and leaves the front open. Dave Key and I have talked about it, but I don't know that anyone has a clear picture of what exactly is going on with it. My guess is that this is either a pourpoint, some form of "under doublet" or an artist's interpretation. In any case, it's not "ordinary" as far as I can tell, and you may want to replicate something a bit more main-stream, unless you can find more pictures/information. You're going to have to indulge in some serious speculation to replicate that picture, which will take you pretty far out on a limb. But that's just my opinion! Gwen
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hauptfrau
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posted 12-29-2000 12:02 PM
There is documentation of pourpoints and jupons (sp?) that fastened up the back.Really?? I'd love to hear more! I'm familiar with the Elizabethan stuff, but that's 100+ years later and I didn't know back fastening applied that early. What documentation are you referring to for 15th C? Gwen
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hauptfrau
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posted 12-31-2000 12:33 PM
Style underwent major changes about 1485 and again about 1500. Jamie, you're part of the first wave and what everyone thinks of as "Tudor" is the second. The next stages are more evolutionary, the slimming of the doublet body and shortening of the skirts into the "Elizabethan" doublet about 1560, then the gradual lenthening of the skirts and thinkening of the body into the "Cavalier" styles of the 1620.The most famous reference for the back-fastening doublet is the embroidered and quilted leather fencing coat held by the met in NY. I just looked at it again when I was there in August, and I can vouch for the fact that it laces up the back. How frequently doublets were fastened that way in the grand scheme of things is anyone's guess. I agree completely about artists and their propensity to get the details wrong. However, I don't want to completely rule out the idea that this is one of those weird Burgundian under-doublet things that I can't figure out. The style looks to be right at 1470, putting it in the correct time for that arrangement. Since he's wearing a coat, perhaps the doublet layer was discarded in favor of the coat. I don't have access to the scanner today since I'm at home, but maybe if I have time tomorrow I'll see about scanning in some pictures of the arrangement I'm talking about. Gwen
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posted 12-28-2000 05:14 AM
What I'm remembering is that she referenced an earlier source in one of her books, but I'm still at work...
posted 12-31-2000 10:40 PM
