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Duncan
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posted 12-25-2000 09:53 PM     Profile for Duncan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Merry Christmas all!
I've been lurking here for about a month or so and now have question.What would have been used to light a camp site and more specifically in the tent?Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for the help!
Duncan

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chef de chambre
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posted 12-25-2000 10:10 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Duncan,

A lot would depend upon a persons station. I have no doubt that it you were to wander into the tents of the Marchal of Burgundy or his Grace the Duke, there would be candles aplenty. For most people on campaign a simple oil lamp would be more appropriate, and many soldiers would have to make due with the light generated from the campfires themselves.

Presumably if you represent the upper spectrum of the middle class, you might even have a couple of candles - but you would probably be sparing with them as they are expensive, and fragile on campaign.

Hope this helps.

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Bob R.


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hauptfrau
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posted 12-26-2000 01:41 AM     Profile for hauptfrau     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hiya Duncan!

In addition to what Bob said, the ususal question- what year, what country, what class?

There's a good deal of info available and we may be able to steer you to some if you could be more specific.

BTW, How did your event go? I've been dying to hear about it.

Gwen


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hauptfrau
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posted 12-26-2000 02:02 PM     Profile for hauptfrau     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Oooops....

Just realized I had the wrong Duncan, so you can't answer my question about the event because you probably haven't a *clue* what I'm talking about.

Oh well, sorry for the mistake, but the first part of the post still holds!

Gwen


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Duncan
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posted 12-26-2000 10:24 PM     Profile for Duncan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I'm sorry I forgot the year in question.I'm currently a squire in the sca but I am trying to get more accurate with my portrayal.I am a scotsman from the year 1350 and right now i'm trying to find what I would have had for light in my camp.As I said before I'm trying to be more accurate and I want to go into more living history.
Thank you everyone,
Duncan

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chef de chambre
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posted 12-26-2000 11:31 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
A Scot Egh?

Forgive my little self indulgence - light is too dear for a Scot you know. In the immortal words of the Goon Show (Peter Sellers, Spike Milligan, Harry Seacombe) - from Neddy Seagoons Scottish Uncle "Ah, Neddy me boy ! Come and warm yourself by this roaring candle!" Tee Hee!

OK - seriously. Scotland WAS a poor country, and you will be looking at the likelyhood of the lower end of the lighting spectrum. The light of a campfire for most folks, a brazier for a lords tent. For the upper end an oil lamp - I seriously doubt candles in a Military camp - Scottish armies notoriously traveled LIGHT and FAST. They had small baggage trains.

For primary (secondary really) source documentation of how a Scottish army traveled and fought, you MUST read the beginning of Froissarts Chronicles, as it deals with Edward III's early Scottish campaigns, and the enormous frustration they caused him. You learn all sorts of goodies such as ghillies driving along live cattle that were slaughtered to provide fresh meat - boiled in their own skins for kettles, with the raw hides used to provide cheap and nasty shoes for the footsoldiers for about three days - then its time to slaughter cattle again. The English army literaly did not have time to dismount to relieve themselves in attempting to pursue Douglases raiders from first hand veterans accounts.

Hope this helps.

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Bob Hurley
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posted 01-05-2001 01:18 AM     Profile for Bob Hurley     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by chef de chambre:
...snip...The light of a campfire for most folks, a brazier for a lords tent

Any chance you can point me at some detail on such a thing, it sounds ideal!

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posted 01-05-2001 05:22 AM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Probably not much of a help, but the following thread originally posted by Chef de Chambre asks about equipment a gentleman or knight would have with him whilst in the field.

Dave Key responded with a list of objects from the Duke of Norfolk's household while he was traveling via ship. Please keep in mind that the list is from the late 15th c and is only offered to give an idea.

http://www.darkharvest.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000040.html

Braziers have been around for a loooong time, I guess finding a design for your time period would be the trick. The other thing to keep in mind is if you are doing this for SCA events, I am not sure what the "ordinances" are regarding "open flames/fires" in a tent. Though with braziers it's not so much open fire as smoldering coals. Still the stray ember comes into play.

[This message has been edited by Fire Stryker (edited 01-05-2001).]


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Brenna
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posted 01-05-2001 11:39 PM     Profile for Brenna   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
As far as open flames in tents go in the SCA, some kingdoms have rules about it and sometimes site owners enforce rules about it.

Brenna


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Duncan
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posted 01-06-2001 01:36 AM     Profile for Duncan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks a bunch guys! You all have been very helpful.
Duncan

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posted 01-06-2001 01:53 PM     Profile for hauptmann     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I use a brazier in my 10x20 marquis when it's really cold at night, which is at most of our reenactments, since we only have them during that time of year when we can wear wool in So CA.

The brazier is basically a 3' tall three legged stand with a metal bowl with stapwork above it. There's more to it than that, but that's the gist.

I shovel coals from the camp fire into it near bedtime and carry it into the tent. It takes the edge off of extreme cold (say 30 degrees), but our tent is 12 feet high, so most of the heat is at the top of the tent, not down at the bed. Smoke is not an issue; we have a roof vent, but never open it; it would let ALL the heat out. Canvas seems to breathe enough.

The biggest problem of the brazier is that it is on the floor and we're worried about knocking it over. With the furniture in the tent (bed, table, chests, chairs, dogs), we would prefer to have the brazier simplified, ie just a large metal bowl hanging from 3 chains from the ridge pole. We will probably try this for the next event and let the camp guards use the brazier to warm their hands.

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Cheers,

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GreyK
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posted 01-16-2001 12:04 AM     Profile for GreyK   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Sweeeeeeeeeeet.

Blessed warmth to keep our dice warm!


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posted 02-24-2001 10:42 PM     Profile for pilgrim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Duncan asked:
What would have been used to light a camp site and more specifically in the tent?

Oil lamps and candle lanterns are documented throughout the period. For examples, try the London Museum Medieval Catalogue 1940, p.182, and of course the MOL "The Medieval Household." We are currently working on a repro of one of the 14th c. lanterns.

Interesting note - at least some of these lanterns had a handle at the back, rather than (or in addition to) hanging from a loop. There's a good shot of a nun holding one in a South Bavarian painting of ca. 1480 in the Regensburg museum.

Colin


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posted 02-24-2001 10:46 PM     Profile for pilgrim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I forgot to mention the chandelier shown in King Rene's tournament book - in the scene where the prize is presented - a simple cross-arm candle holder suspended by a rope from the top of the tent. AM will have one of these soon!

Colin


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hauptfrau
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posted 02-24-2001 10:59 PM     Profile for hauptfrau     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Red Co. has 3 of those cross arm jobbies- 2 for the mess tent and one for the kitchen. Man are those things great! Butt simple and cheap to make. They also plack down to almost nothing, which is quite useful when striking camp. Jeff made a small chest to house all 3, and most covenient of all, the chest is the perfect size to sit on while I'm cooking! I think the little saucers are fabulous, as they catch the drips far more effectively than other designs.

Since our tent has a very tall peak, Jeff made us a double-tier version which takes 8 candles instead of 4. When all 8 are lit, that baby throws enough light to read by. It also breaks down into easily packed pieces, and lives in its own little box. That box is the perfect size for a footrest, or place to sit while washing up at night before retiring.

I think they're great and everyone should have one!!!

Gwen


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posted 02-26-2001 11:01 AM     Profile for Anne-Marie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pilgrim:
I forgot to mention the chandelier shown in King Rene's tournament book - in the scene where the prize is presented - a simple cross-arm candle holder suspended by a rope from the top of the tent. AM will have one of these soon!

Colin


happy dance! happy dance!
(hiya Colin! )

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