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James Byngham
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posted 12-08-2000 05:25 PM     Profile for James Byngham   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I've been looking at making some trenchers in the coming weeks. I've looked at several depictions of them, including:
Valerius Maximus - Town Life; c 1420-50
Quintus Rufus - Livre faits Alexander the Great; 1468-1475
Hortulus Animae - Woman serving food; 1510-1520
the replica table setting at Barley Hall in Yorkshire

The trenchers all seem to be made of a white metal. While I'm making them, I'd like to hear the opinions of those gathered here on what metal they were most likely made from. Pewter?? Silver??

Thanks--

--James--

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hauptfrau
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posted 12-08-2000 05:37 PM     Profile for hauptfrau     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Period? Class?

I'm assuming at least middle class mid 15th C. by your clues but don't want to assume anything.

Gwen


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James Byngham
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posted 12-08-2000 06:10 PM     Profile for James Byngham   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I'm sorry I didn't give you enough information. I personally gravitate more towards the turn of the 15th century and early 15th century. My wife is more interested in mid-15th century. I'd be interested in the differences through this time frame. As far as social level, I'd personally be most interested in upper middle class, but if anyone has comments to add for mid or even lower, I think that would be interesting to hear (even if it's something I'm not likely to actually do myself).

--James--

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Originally posted by hauptfrau:
Period? Class?

I'm assuming at least middle class mid 15th C. by your clues but don't want to assume anything.

Gwen



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James Byngham
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posted 12-08-2000 06:16 PM     Profile for James Byngham   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Come to think of it, I can't say that I've actually seen any depictions of table settings from before 1420.

Can anyone give me references to any images from mid-14th century through 1420?

Thanks--

--James--


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Anne-Marie
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posted 12-10-2000 04:52 PM     Profile for Anne-Marie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
on the stuff of trenchers....\

there are extant examples of trenchers for our period made of pewter. You can find one in the book "PreIndustrial Utensils: 1150-1800". its 17.3 cm by 14 cm and is dated as Flemish, 1400-1500. it even has the firestriker on it .

theres also a wide assortment of ceramic/earthenware plates in the book, being standard round plate shapes.

hope this helps!
--AM, who fully realizes that wood plates probably didnt last long enough to get their pictures taken in the 20th century


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Bill & Norhala
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posted 12-10-2000 05:18 PM     Profile for Bill & Norhala   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi!

Were wooden trenchers/bowls/plates still in use among the middle/lower classes in 1450? Or would they have likely had the wherewithall to purchase metal or ceramic ones?

Norhala

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Anne-Marie
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posted 12-11-2000 01:37 AM     Profile for Anne-Marie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bill & Norhala:
Hi!

Were wooden trenchers/bowls/plates still in use among the middle/lower classes in 1450? Or would they have likely had the wherewithall to purchase metal or ceramic ones?

Norhala


According to the peasant inventory of Richard Sclatter of Elmley Castle (worcestershire, 1457), he had 8 trenchers valued at 1d. as a brass pot is valued at 2s, I am assuming that they are not metal (or they would cost more, no?). One assumes they are wood or pottery.

Ceramic vessels are described as being worth 1/2d each, so one might assume that Richards trenchers were of the even cheaper wood.

Meanwhile, the merchant Simon de Leverington of 1285 is assessed 2 pounds, 17s, 0d for silver spoons and plate. One assumes it would have cost even more in the 15th century.

based on this, I would make the conclusion that wood was the most common, followed by ceramic (the number of ceramic dishes extant is very large), follwed by metal. Pewter would be the cheapest, then silver.

source of assay info: Christopher Dyers "Standards of Living in the Later Middle Ages: Social change in England c.1200-1520".

hope this helps some!
--AM, who would love a square pewter plate some day, but until then, is using wood...


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hauptfrau
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posted 12-11-2000 11:42 AM     Profile for hauptfrau     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
AM, James wants to do upper middle class. Does the book refer to any upper middle class inventories?

Seems that Bob R. and Dave Key refered to household inventories and plate in the "Gentleman/Knight Portrayal" thread. Perhaps a look over there would be helpful- http://www.darkharvest.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000040.html

Gwen


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Anne-Marie
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posted 12-11-2000 11:50 AM     Profile for Anne-Marie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hauptfrau:
AM, James wants to do upper middle class. Does the book refer to any upper middle class inventories?
Gwen

I think Simons inventory counts..he seems a well to do merchant guy?

he seems to have some silver plate. nothing else is mentioned, but perhaps becuase it wasnt worth mentioning compared to all the shiney stuff?

--AM


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