It is accepted/ expected practice for Perrage candidates to be elevated in white. It's one of the accepted rules of the game. One of the responsibilities of an SCA Peer is to uphold the rules (written and unwritten) of the game you're playing (SCA). For that reason I think you should seriously consider going with the accepted norm. If you wish to promote authenticity, do it in some other area where it is a better match, such as making sure your clothing and accoutrements are cut properly and constructed of the proper materials. For instance I would say it's more important that you wear turnshoes with your white linen gown than wearing harness boots with a white poly T tunic.

Remember, that's just my opinion. However, one of the reasons I was considered unfit to be an SCA peer was because I didn't observe the rules of the game. (Also known as running with scissors.)

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Originally posted by Ginevra:

It is accepted/ expected practice for Perrage candidates to be elevated in white

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hey Gwen! why arent you at the event???

anyway, re: elevation in a white tunic for SCA award ceremonies...

Must be a Caid thing (So Cal). Not the case up here. Occasionally we have someone who's done their homework and they do the vigil in their underwear (as per some of the Romances, showing penance, humility etc) and I think I've seen a white overgarment twice? for a peerage ceremony in a 15 year SCA career.

my advice? do what makes you happy. If you're getting recognised by your club (SCA, Realm of Chiv, whatever), its most likely for what you ARE and what you DO (at least I hope so ). If authenticity is part of that, than you should make the most of it. People who think its cool will dig it, most others wont even notice .

but again, that's just my opinion, based on my experiences up here, which are WAY differnt than Gwens experiences down there! (most every story she tells me, I just shake my head in dismay....)

are people telling you "you have to!" or "it would look really spiffy!"?

me,I like the idea of a vigil in your skivvys and the ceremony is a stunning authentic garment YOU CAN WEAR AGAIN but then I'm a communist

always the pragmatic,
--Anne-Marie

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I think I know the illuminations of which you speak, but they are early 1400's (pre-1418), not 1390's, as they were produced during the reign of John the Fearless as Duke of Burgundy. For one special occassion he outfitted his entire court in white, and some Flemish painer immortalized the occasion, as he happened to be illuminating a book for the Duke at that very point.

I was going to mention this reference, but as it was post 1400 (not by much), I didn't know how relevant it was to you.

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Vitus, we have both. We answered but the email just keeps bouncing.

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Originally posted by Ginevra:
AM, what did you were for your elevation ceremonies? I know what you wore for your baronness thingie , but what did you wear for the Pel and the Laurel?

Vitus, we have both. We answered but the email just keeps bouncing.

Gwen

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anway,
lessee...for the pelican I wore a white cotton shift, plain blue long sleeved kirtle and white headcloth (back when I was 12th century "tunic girl") for the offering and for the actual elevation I wore a pinstriped blue wool short tunic over a red cotton kirtle and a white cotton shift (think "power suit" .

FOr the Laurel I wore my usual 15th century kit (linen kirtle, linen shift, white linen turban headdress). nothing fancy, except I believe I changed into a clean dress and pinned on sleeves . Both of these elevations were relative suprises, ie I was called up and offered on Saturday, vigils on Saturday night and elevated on Sunday so there wasnt any time to plan anything special to wear.

Linnet (Marks wife) was called up as a total suprise and so was wearing her regular 14th c. kit. Her vigil she was in a shift, with unbound hair (very cool...my household hosted it, and provided appropriate munchies. You could go into the tent where quiet reflective conversation was going on, or stay outside where it was a total hootenanny). She was elevated in lovely new 14th century kit made for her by a friend. Dotn remember what color, but it wasnt white!

hope this helps some? please remember that each area has its own traditions and customs. Gwen is right in that its a good idea that no matter what your game is, you find out best as you can what those customs are before you accidentally tread on anyones toes or conventions.

--AM

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Originally posted by Sean A. Garrison:
Gwen-
Sorry about my e-mail addy- it's acting very strange. I will call asap to make the order.

-S

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Sean, did you get my reply to your recent e-mail to me?

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Originally posted by Sean A. Garrison:
Gwen-
Sorry about my e-mail addy- it's acting very strange. I will call asap to make the order.

-S

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Hey, Sean, I don't have it right in front of me, but in that famous MS painting of the Knights of the Star at dinner, aren't they *all* wearing white cottes?

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...in that famous MS painting of the Knights of the Star at dinner, aren't they *all* wearing white cottes?

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Well, yes and no. The problem with that miniature, and with so many others in the Grandes Chroniques de France, is that shows most of the people in grisaille, so it's all in shades of grey and who knows what color they are supposed to be wearing. Color is provided for the 'important' bits of clothing (the King's cloak, things like that...) but for the most part *everyone* in that manuscript is in shades of grey.

The only mention I find of the livery is a reference to a red robe and a mantle decorated with a star. The only extensive article I can find on the Order makes several mention of the 'dazzeling livery' but provides no details... Grrrr....

Ta

Adhemar

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Ta

Adhemar

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Originally posted by J.K. Vernier:
Yes, Grisaille illumination is a complicating factor, and it was a style which was beloved of French court miniaturists for most of the 14th century. Some examples are essentially in black and white overall, and others have a more complicated format of colored backgrounds and even flesh-tone on peoples' faces and hands. I think it is safest to say that if you see an illumination of this period, in which everyone is wearing shades of grey and white, it is an artist's convention rather than an accurate portrayal.

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Ah, I didn't know that! Thank you very much.

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