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Buran
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posted 04-02-2001 05:42 PM     Profile for Buran   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Anyone got a source for good authentic costrels? Thanks!

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chef de chambre
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posted 04-02-2001 07:26 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Buran & All,

I ran across your question on the Archive first and answered it there. Here is my reply for those with the same question on this board (I don't normally cross post, but I thought the information useful enough to do so).

Hi Buran,
Costrels could be any of a number of different materials. They could be a dried out gourd, a wood canteen in the shape of a gourd, a leather barrel like canteen, a leather flask shaped canteen (There is a fellow in NY who makes copies of the Mary Rose flasks that would easily work up to 200 years earlier), a pewter footed canteen - doughnut shaped without a central hole, wood canteens shaped like the footed pewter ones - Robin Wood in the UK makes these turned on a pole lathe completely done in the traditional manner - for about $240 (they are a staggering amount of work to make).

Finally to the earthen & stoneware. I am working with a potter out of NH in researching 15th c. German stoneware, and amongst other items made and traded across Europe were indeed costrels. Problem is the only good photos and dimensions I have are for mid 16th c. ones sold as pilgrims souvenirs, and they are different to a degree from the Medieval ones proper. I would strongly recommend stoneware over earthenware as it is much more durable. Since it is a fairly complex item to produce, I don't imagine it will be cheap - I would think over $50, but I'm not the one making and pricing them.

Hope this is of value.

P.S. Your picture posted on the other board doesn't show up, so I can't give you a good answer.

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Glen K
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posted 04-02-2001 09:45 PM     Profile for Glen K   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
So, the donut shaped ones are appropriate for our the medieval period as well? I thought they were a later (and even American) thing... we've got some great early 1800's ones in the museum and some very nice repros in the museum shop, but I haven't paid much attention as I thought they weren't appropriate...

Also, I've just recieved a pottery costrel from a place called moonstone pottery out in CA. It came with a farby strap and cork, but the item itself seems pretty cool. Soon as I get a chance I'll post some pics.


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chef de chambre
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posted 04-02-2001 11:03 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Glen,

The Medieval ones I've seen pictures of seem to mostly be footed, not just a circle. Show us a pic of one of the shops! Tin Drum canteens - straight sided - seem to have been used (and illustrated in Schilling being used by a couple of Burgundians), the primary difference from the ACW ones being that the spout is a tudge longer and flares out as it rises to the rim, sort of like a narrow cone. Identical in function - slight difference in aethstetics.

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Jamie & Christine
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posted 04-10-2001 05:25 PM     Profile for Jamie & Christine   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Buran,
I have found a few sources for costrels.
G. Gedney Godwin Company sells a couple neat turned wooden versions as well as some molded leather bottles at http://www.gggodwin.com/catalog.htm
Dixie Gun Works sells a little brass- bound oak cask as well as some acceptable tin canteens.
Panther Primitives sells a couple sizes of the typical medieval style of flat bottom molded leather costrels. You'll find costrels cost from $35 to over $100.
All of these items are sold as later period pieces but I feel that most are appropriate for use in a WoR period group. In some cases you may have to replace stoppers and straps with something more authentic.
Hope this helps.
Jamie

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Jamie & Christine
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posted 04-10-2001 05:28 PM     Profile for Jamie & Christine   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Buran,
I have found a few sources for costrels.
G. Gedney Godwin Company sells a couple neat turned wooden versions as well as some molded leather bottles at http://www.gggodwin.com/page4.htm.
Dixie Gun Works sells a little brass- bound oak cask as well as some acceptable tin canteens.
Panther Primitives sells a couple sizes of the typical medieval style of flat bottom molded leather costrels. You'll find costrels cost from $35 to over $100.
All of these items are sold as later period pieces but I feel that most are appropriate for use in a WoR period group. In some cases you may have to replace stoppers and straps with something more authentic.
Hope this helps.
Jamie

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AnnaRidley
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posted 04-11-2001 07:00 PM     Profile for AnnaRidley   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
This is a bit pricey but the workmanship appears to be beautiful and it is based on a 14th century archeological find.
http://www.robin-wood.co.uk/flask2.htm

Mitake.


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Fire Stryker
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posted 04-11-2001 07:17 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Robin's work is well worth the price. I own several of his pieces. The wood is hand selected and turned on a pole lathe with tools that he forged himself.

Robin supplies many fine works to museums, living historians, and re-enactors. Most if not all of his work has archaeological references. Those that he is not sure about he will let you know.

Thing about the costrel...if you want one, it is 250 pounds sterling and he does them in groups. I believe he has a group of them set for turning this month or in May. He usually waits until he has a few requests before turning them.

Cheers,

Jenn


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Buran
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posted 04-11-2001 07:35 PM     Profile for Buran   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I am happy that I have sparked conversation about an interesting period detail. I think I’m going to stick with Bodgit & Bendit, thus: http://www.regia.org/bodgit-bendit.htm
...and bite the bullet as far as currency conversion and shipping. They do have (relatively) later period items as well...

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Ziad
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posted 05-19-2001 03:01 PM     Profile for Ziad     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Buran
If you are still looking for a costrel, please email me your snail-mail address.

Ziad

oops - captain_lyerly@yahoo.com

[ 05-19-2001: Message edited by: allahuakbar ]

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