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Boris
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posted 02-26-2006 04:23 AM     Profile for Boris     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Good day
I m a member of a russian reenactment group Bern which tries to recreate the company of bernese militia of the mid late 14c although some of us( there are near 80 members all over country) reenact 15c now we try to short such period rate of our men and to avoid participating in events in different stuff.

In Russia we have long tradition of reenactment(which is cold reconstruction)we always tried to do most accurate personal items and armour but we lacked what is called- the living history.
Now we want to bring our events to lh standarts, making tents,furniture,ware etc
but i d like to know, what is the conception of lh events in western Europe and USA, what people do, when tents made,men dressed and armed, food is koocking in the pots?

respectfully yours Boris Stepanov
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Woodcrafter
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posted 02-27-2006 04:05 AM     Profile for Woodcrafter   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hello Boris:

The North American version of your 'construction' is similar in the making of the items. We try to be as accurate as we can. Once that is done, we use them for the living history.

Living History would be best described as doing what a person in the 14th century (or any century) would have done with that equipment.

For the group where I live, we train with the armour and weapons. This allows visitors to watch closely, and we are able to tell them what we are doing. If one of us is making shoes, then he would explain to the visitors what and why he is doing.

If there are no visitors to our encampment, then we happily live as those in the 14th century England would have done. I as a woodworker always have an item to make. But I take a break and practice with the swords, or cook food over the fire.


A week long encampment that is open to the public visitors.
Encampment недели длинний открыто к общественным визитерам. Пожалуйста заметьте это место примет с интернета скоро.

I hope this helps.

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Северный американский вариант вашей ' конструкции ' подобен в делать деталей. Мы пытаемся быть как точны по мере того как мы можем. Как только то сделано, мы используем их для living истории.

Living история наиболее наилучшим образом была бы описана по мере того как делающ что персону в 14-ом столетии (или любом столетии сделал с тем оборудованием. Для группы где я живу, мы тренируем с панцырем и оружиями. Это позволяет визитерам наблюдать близко, и мы можем сказать им мы делаем. Если одно из нас делает ботинки, то он объяснил бы к визитерам и почему он делает.

Если не будут визитеров к нашему encampment, то мы счастливо живем как те в 14-ом столетии Англии сделали бы. Ii1 по мере того как woodworker всегда имеет деталь, котор нужно сделать. Но я принимаю пролом и практикую с шпагами, или едой кашевара над пожаром. Я надеюсь это помогает.

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Alan F
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posted 02-27-2006 11:01 AM     Profile for Alan F   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Boris, any chance of a translation of what it says on your site?

As to LH....

There are various different things that can be done - for example, people doing various period crafts that would have been the norm to see in a military encampment of the time. That can be anything from practicing with weapons, drilling to writing, cooking or people at prayer. If you think of the range of skilled crafts that were availabe in the medieval period, there's a good chance that they were done in an army camp of the time.


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Fire Stryker
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posted 02-27-2006 01:13 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Rough Translation of the top paragraph under the banner ad.

--- From Altavista Babel Fish ---
http://world.altavista.com/tr

Russian to English translation.

Announcement Of festival "Black Sea porubezh'e"

To the end of 15 centuries by Italian city-states, in particular by genoa was conducted the active colonization of the Black Sea coast of present Kuban. Within the framework of our festival is conducted the reconstruction of the Genoa fastened settling, which underwent attack. The commandant of strengthening caused aid from the adjacent colonies. To participants in the festival it is proposed to recreate these events. It is in more detail...

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Boris
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posted 03-01-2006 03:38 AM     Profile for Boris     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It is quite clear that all participants of the event try to do, what normally did soldiers in camp, or in garrison, but i d like to hear a detailed account of some event, if possible
I ask this because we have very poor programm of festival, unlike western reenactors we practice rough full contact fight, but never have tried to make some manouevring and not simply melee (we use the word bougurt)also we want to add games to the programm . I always thought that western festivals are more complicated.
here there are photos of some of the russian summer events

russian fortress. Priozersk, 1-3july.

knights castle. Vyborg 27 of july
infantry. Tver 18-21 august

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Brent E Hanner
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posted 03-01-2006 01:07 PM     Profile for Brent E Hanner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Just curious, why do you choose to re-enact Bern instead of something from your local history?
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Woodcrafter
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posted 03-01-2006 05:11 PM     Profile for Woodcrafter   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It all looks very well done. Very accurate. Where do you buy your armour from?

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Boris
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posted 03-02-2006 04:59 AM     Profile for Boris     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
2Brent It s hard to believe but the level of acuracy of the reenactors of medieval rus is much lower than those who do western european impressions. Lots of people in Russia like to be scottish highland, knight templar, infantry militiaman and not russian warrior/ But of course there are many ancient russians too.

2woodcrafter/ There are many different people who make arms and armour, clothes shoes etc, but there is no any central store or society they just starting to appear, you should conect with a craftsman wait for a long time asking him by mail "where is my stuff" the best way to by things from your friends. Unfortunatly the craftsmen ate too many but their products are of unsufficient quality/accuracy. that is why mostly we do 14th.although all is quite cheap, bacinet with visor would cost 150usd


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Per Braz
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posted 03-06-2006 03:30 AM     Profile for Per Braz   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Boris,
nice to meet Russian people there. I saw on your website you go to Vyborg. I have been there in 2001. It seems there is more and more people there now as far as I can see from your photos.
Here in France, there is not so many good LH events. A lot of people make reenactment/entertainement activities and not actually LH. So all the activities are based on display only : some craftsmen workshop (mail making, leatherworking...), demonstration of weapon using, training sessions and artistic displays of fighting.
The mass battle are based on strict rules (fights are much much much softer than in Russia).
The best event I have seen as a LH was the occupation of the Haut-Koenigsbourg castle by the Company of Saint-Georges (the European one), where you could visit a big rebuilt (in XIXth century) castle with people living around you as in end of XVth century : cooks in the kitchen, servants wandering around, women making garments in higher rooms, guards training with Talhoffer technics, clerks copying texts, smith making iron tools...
I think that the easiest way to be more LH oriented is to think about a character (and the group) as an actual person (or group) and try to have the items to answer the question as you would do for you today : what do I do when I get up in the morning, with what item, and what do I need to make my job, how I go to work... And other ones to answer are : am I comfortable with my hoses ?, do I use my period raining garb when it's raining or a modern one, ? Can I wake up, wash myself and have a quick break with only period items ?
Yann aka Per Braz

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Alan F
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posted 03-06-2006 07:48 AM     Profile for Alan F   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Boris, do you have any links to Russian groups that do scottish re-enactment?
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Boris
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posted 03-09-2006 06:55 AM     Profile for Boris     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
actually i started reenacting with a group which reenacted clan Macgregor clansmen of 14-15c as far as i know it was the only group who tried to be authentic, there were people who studied dress and armour of medieval gaels, because most of russian scotsmen are long haired blanket wrapped hippies... alas.
There is a group that does lowlanders of Bannockburn, if i find their site i post it
p.s i still have interest in highland and irish medieval reenactment, would like to see some sites

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