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Brent E Hanner
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posted 06-09-2005 02:49 AM     Profile for Brent E Hanner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
For a variety of reasons I have been slowly pushed out of Grad school. Some of it is of my own doing and some of it is of others doing but these things happen. So now it is time for me to find something else to do with my life. I really don't know what I'm going to do with my life but it certainly has shown me that I made some poor decisions several years ago. But you cannot go back and change the past. While I'm contemplating my future I'm going to spend some time with my past. So for about the next 5 days or so almost all that I am going to do is answer research questions. The library is open full hours and I still have access to academic databases. Heck I might know the answer and simply did not want to take the time to post about it or I did not like the location of the post. The nearer to late-15th century England the question is the more likely I am to go and find an answer for it though.

Brent


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Fire Stryker
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posted 06-09-2005 08:10 AM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Sorry to hear about that.

If I think of a question, I'll ping you in the next 5 days, but as you know, mine usually pertain to the continent.

Cheers,

Jenn

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ad finem fidelis


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Friedrich
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posted 06-09-2005 08:50 AM     Profile for Friedrich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Brent,

I too am sorry to read your exiting of grad school. I know your passion for research has offered many valuable answers to important, obscure questions.

I have a question or request. Not specifically about the 15thC, but about the databases you have had access to. For the benefit of future reference, could you describe each database (name, type, etc.) and a quick summary of what you have found it useful for and what type of contents it offers. Some readers may have access to these databases and not recognize the importance and value that they offer.


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posted 06-09-2005 09:27 AM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
As an addendum to Peter's question, also could you indicate which might be public access and which require affiliation with an educational institution.

J


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Gwen
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posted 06-09-2005 12:23 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I'll bite on this offer, as I was going to post this request today anyway-

Looking for

Olivier de la Marche
Le parement et triumphes des dames
Paris, 1554

Sorry to hear of abrupt change of course, and I hope everything works out for you. The material you've sent me over the years has been put to great use, and some of it is dog-eared with wear. Best of luck in your new direction.

Gwen


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Brent E Hanner
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posted 06-09-2005 04:58 PM     Profile for Brent E Hanner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Gwen does it have to be that edition?

Brent


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Gwen
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posted 06-09-2005 09:36 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I don't think so, as it's the content I'm after, not anything else. Actually, a translation would be ace, as it would save me a ton of time. I just cited that edition because I copied the footnote verbatim.

Thanks!

Gwen

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Brent E Hanner
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posted 06-09-2005 10:56 PM     Profile for Brent E Hanner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ok here it is. Be warned it is 4.3 megs.
http://www.mediumaevum.com/fs/Le%20parement%20et%20triumphes%20des%20dames.pdf

Some people might be interested in this as well.
http://www.mediumaevum.com/fs/Traict%e9%20de%20la%20forme%20et%20devis%20comme%20on%20faict%20les%20tournois.pdf


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Dave Key
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posted 06-10-2005 05:37 AM     Profile for Dave Key   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Brent,

Hope things work out for you ... can you get the "Letter and Papers illustrative of the English Wars in France during the region of Henry sixth" ... I found it on Gallica as you suggested (nice pointer ... never expected the French to actually put anything in English on one of their sites ;-) ) but it's page by page which s painful ... is there a copy aywhere as a whole document or have I misread/failed to read the French instructions ??

On th topic of the Rene of Anjou Tournment ... used Rene of ANjou as the author in the Gallica search and got the full Mss with illuminations .. excellent

There ae times when the internet is wonderful


Cheers
Dave


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Brent E Hanner
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posted 06-10-2005 07:49 PM     Profile for Brent E Hanner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Key:
Brent,

Hope things work out for you ... can you get the "Letter and Papers illustrative of the English Wars in France during the region of Henry sixth" ... I found it on Gallica as you suggested (nice pointer ... never expected the French to actually put anything in English on one of their sites ;-) ) but it's page by page which s painful ... is there a copy aywhere as a whole document or have I misread/failed to read the French instructions ??


I'll post instructions but if anyone really has problems let me know and I can make temporary copies on my webpage of books.

Ok, you pull up the book and have it sitting on the first page. At the top there is a menu <i> Notice | Table des Matières | Pagination | Texte Seul | Plein Ecran | Télécharger | Reproduire </i> Choose Télécharger. There are French instructions but basically to get the whole book in a single PDF select OK and it will process the book and turn it into 1 PDF. You cand then download it by clicking on the ftp url it brings up.

Brent


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Gwen
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posted 06-13-2005 02:45 AM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I hope there's still time to ask for this!

Information on Bibliotheque Nationale, Paris, Ms. francais 616 (Hunting Book of Gaston Phoebus). The only info I have is that it was painted in the 15th C. Can you find out when, where and by/for whom? I'm most interested in a more specific dating, but all info regarding this mss. would be great.

Bibliotheque de l'Arsenal, Paris, Ms. 5070 (Bocaccio's Decameron). This was supposed to have been painted 1430-40 by "The Master of Guillebert de Mets" and "The Master of Jean Mansel" for Phillip the Good of Burgundy. Can you confirm this info, or find out if any new information has been found regarding this manuscript?

Mostly, the info I have on these mss is 20 or more years old and I'd like to know if any new information on them is available.

Thanks!

Gwen

(BTW, thanks for the O de la M!)


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Brent E Hanner
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posted 06-14-2005 12:35 AM     Profile for Brent E Hanner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ginevra:
I hope there's still time to ask for this!

Information on Bibliotheque Nationale, Paris, Ms. francais 616 (Hunting Book of Gaston Phoebus). The only info I have is that it was painted in the 15th C. Can you find out when, where and by/for whom? I'm most interested in a more specific dating, but all info regarding this mss. would be great.


Current thought seems to be it was done in Paris for John the Fearless c1407. Info from the latest reproduction. Also unchanged in a very recent book of highlights of the manuscript.

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Bibliotheque de l'Arsenal, Paris, Ms. 5070 (Bocaccio's Decameron). This was supposed to have been painted 1430-40 by "The Master of Guillebert de Mets" and "The Master of Jean Mansel" for Phillip the Good of Burgundy. Can you confirm this info, or find out if any new information has been found regarding this manuscript?

The only recent article I could find was from 1995 and it actually is mostly about other manuscripts thought to be done Master Guillebert of Metz and it compares them to the Arsenal Decameron. He gives no indication that the attribution had changed and was talking about other manuscripts c1430.

Brent


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Gwen
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posted 06-14-2005 01:30 AM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Excellent! Thank you very much. The date on Gaston Phoebus is priceless!! Yahoo! (And the other info doesn't suck either. )

Thank you!

Gwen


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posted 06-15-2005 03:51 PM     Profile for Hugo     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It's probably way too late for this request, but I'll post it anyway.

I would like to have the best possible description of the daily routine of english soldiers on campaign, when they are not fighting or preparing for a battle. Something like a schedule of activities, how they were assigned and to whom, etc...

I'm guessing an Ordinance would cover this topic, but I wouldn't know which one to look at... your expertise would be much appreciated.
Hugo


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Dave Key
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posted 06-15-2005 06:40 PM     Profile for Dave Key   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Now that's a request !

I'm unaware of any nice neat and convenient ordinance ... you'll need to start piecing it together from various places ... I'd recommend starting with the Black Book of the Admiralty for Ordinances for War, then look at the documentation of the Wars of the English in France and how the Normandy garrisons were arranged,. Then start to look at the Paston Letters, Gregory's chronicle etc. to begin to get a feel for it all.

What you are asking has been written about by modern historians (badly in my opinion) but it's not there as a period document nice and neatly wrapped up for us to use I'm afraid.

Cheers
Dave


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posted 06-15-2005 06:50 PM     Profile for Dave Key   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Seriously though, have a look at

Society at War, The Experience of ngland and France during the Hundred Years War,
Ed. C.T. Allmand, Edinburgh, 1973

Also try and get hold of the York City Records as these list the recruitment and investigation into the behaviour of the City's archers on campaign in Scotland.

Hope they help.

Cheers
Dave


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Brent E Hanner
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posted 06-15-2005 10:39 PM     Profile for Brent E Hanner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I would have recomended the Laws of war of Henry V in De Studio Militari but the ones in the Black book should work, they are all inter-related.

Something to keep in mind is that there are differences between English field armies for foriegn expeditions and the armies that fought in most of the battles of the Wars of the Roses.

Brent
And yes I'm done with my jaunt of helping people with research.

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Dave Key
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posted 06-16-2005 06:09 AM     Profile for Dave Key   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Brent

Do you have access to a copy of de studio Militari ... preferably an English translation ... ?

Found an edition by Barnard which has "the essential parts" so I'll try an get a copy via ILL ... also the Bodleian has a doctoral thesis on it.

Cheers
Dave


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posted 06-16-2005 05:15 PM     Profile for Brent E Hanner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have it in the Essential book you reference. I too have found references to the said dissertation which is a transcription of the complete c1500 middle english translation that the Essentials book is based off of. The BL has a copy of it too I it seems you can order dissertations through them but it was like $99 and I wasn't ready to spend that kinda money on it. I may put a couple of sections up on my website sometime.

Brent


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