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Seigneur de Leon
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posted 11-12-2002 12:56 PM     Profile for Seigneur de Leon   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Here's a rare opportunity for you, the discriminating collector or re-enactor to own a genuine piece from the middle ages!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=921616153

Jeff H., eat your heart out!

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gaukler
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posted 11-12-2002 01:03 PM     Profile for gaukler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
That's just a venal ebay dealer trying to make a buck. For a truly clueless helmet, go to http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=734117281

mark

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Gwen
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posted 11-12-2002 01:38 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
If someone is clueless enough to think (or believe!) that an old SCA helmet is a real antique, then they deserve to be taken.

As for the second one, this is the best case of Indian manufacturing gone wrong. All the Indian manufacturers steal designs from each other, generally in the form of a piece out of inventory. After 8 or 9 generations of copying from copies, what started off as a standard bad interpretation of a bascinet turns into this mess. It's like when we were kids and played telephone, and the message "Meet me at the corner" turned into "Little Jack Horner".

All joking aside, the most disturbing thing about these sales is the claims the vendors make. Taken directly from the Ebay page:

This is an accurate reproduction of the Bascinet Helm with an attached Aventail.

A Squared Armory offers the highest museum quality replica weaponry on the web.

The sad and scarey part is that claims like this more or less mean that the terms "museum quality replica" and "accurate reproduction" are absolutely meaningless.

Unfortunately, this trend is not confined to armour and weaponry. I've noticed that almost all costumes are now "historically accurate replicas" which are suitable for "living history and reenactment" use.

This is the "Phillip the Good Doublet" by Sofi's Stitches (http://www.sofisstitches.com):

Here is the description from their website:

This outfit is a reproduction of one worn by Phillip the Good, Duke of Burgundy from 1419 to 1467. (We accented it with woven instead of fur.)
In the painting, Phillip wears a belt, simple poufy shirt, hosen (tights), a wide necklace, and tops it off with a turban.
We recommend wearing with the Classic Renaissance Shirt, our Ring belt, hosen and breeches. You can substitute the hosen with long socks to wear under the breeches.

It's sad, but I suppose now that shopping is so effortless and vendors have no compunctions about making false claims about their products, "Caveat Emptor" applies now more than ever.

Gwen


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David Meyer
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posted 11-12-2002 03:43 PM     Profile for David Meyer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi all -

I saw that 'bascinet' when someone on the armour archive was mocking it. Honestly I'm tempted to put a bid on it BECAUSE it's soooo ugly! Heck, I could bury it for 10 years, then dig it up and conserve it & sell it on eBay as a unique museum piece!

A VERY odd piece.

David


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Gordon Clark
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posted 11-12-2002 04:19 PM     Profile for Gordon Clark     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Problem is -of course - on the web, anyone can say anything they like.
Back in my college professor days, I used to have students that used "something they found on a web page" in their research papers. They could not understand why they needed to put in the extra time to find peer reviewed articles or books. Wonder how long it will take people to get over the "if it is printed it must be true" attitude?

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tim seasholtz
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posted 11-12-2002 06:13 PM     Profile for tim seasholtz   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Huzzah! Leather mugs for everyone!
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Seigneur de Leon
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posted 11-12-2002 10:47 PM     Profile for Seigneur de Leon   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I must say the "blind bascinet" definitely trumps my "buried in the backyard bascinet"!
What really pisses me off is, sometimes you see some rich "mover and shaker", in our case the owner of a half-dozen radio stations with a huge office building right on Monument Circle, standing proudly in front of his $5,000.00 Noble Collection harness during an interview. The media makes a big deal over his "armour" in his plush office, and it is one of those silly pop-riveted and electroplated pieces of junk that looks like it is trying to take a dump while on the stand. For what they pay for this s***, they could buy working, although less gaudy, armour they could actually wear, and it would truly be "their's". I guess there is no limit to ignorance....

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Jeff Johnson
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posted 11-13-2002 08:33 AM     Profile for Jeff Johnson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Seigneur de Leon:
For what they pay for this s***, they could buy working, although less gaudy, armour they could actually wear, and it would truly be "their's". I guess there is no limit to ignorance....

You can't buy good taste or intellegence. Let the stupid Noveau Riche remain ignorant and keep them out of our game. If every rich idiot wanted a decent functional harness, the rest of us wouldn't be able to afford anything.

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Gordon Clark
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posted 11-13-2002 11:20 AM     Profile for Gordon Clark     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Actually, I think there would be a shortage of armor for a bit, the price would soar, then supply would catch up with demand and economies of scale would kick in and the price would come down below where it is right now.

What might happened is that small armor producers making 'munitions' grade armor would go out of business as people built factories to produce the stuff ...

All academic anyway and I'm not an economist ...


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