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GreyK
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posted 02-14-2001 02:57 PM     Profile for GreyK   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=543199645

I am so bummed that I can't afford this.

Amazingly, 2 people can.


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Fire Stryker
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posted 02-14-2001 05:19 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
4 Mil seems a bit steep for two people unless they were really bringing in the bucks. Needless to say, I wouldn't turn it down. Maybe I will get lucky and win Powerball. It is very nice castle.

Heck, for 67K you could have someone build you a brand new tower (it would only be a tower though) or for several K to M more, you could have a castle built to your specs and you wouldn't have to move to a foreign country, unless that was your goal.

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Friedrich
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posted 02-14-2001 05:30 PM     Profile for Friedrich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I wonder how much the back taxes are?

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Fire Stryker
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posted 02-14-2001 06:20 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Just realized my mistake. Yes, it would be nice to have 4 million to just drop on a castle like the only two individuals who have bid.
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Reinhard von Lowenhaupt
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posted 02-14-2001 09:27 PM     Profile for Reinhard von Lowenhaupt   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I am currently finishing the design of my new home. I have always wanted a castle, but don't have the big bucks to buy one, and don't want to give up the freedoms of the US. My compromise has been in designing a fortified manor. I hope to begin clearing building by this winter! The cost really isn't that inhibitive. The construction style is just poured concrete walls with stone veneer (the only way to tell it isn't solid stone is to drill through a wall). And, the size isn't too large for a small family.
I'm building a perimeter wall (actual ones for a manor were 3 to 10 feet thick), plan to use cracked septic tanks (for sale 4 almost nothing when they crack during manufacture), and fill them with the debris from construction). Then, same as the house, some stone veneer work completes the illustion. So, you can actually build a 'castle' for about the same as a moderately priced house.
I'll let you know how it goes.

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montecristo
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posted 03-20-2001 06:15 PM     Profile for montecristo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
hello guys!

If you think Alasdairīs idea is so cool (like me) but a little bit impossible for you. You might as well take a look at the following link of modern-day, wish-granting faeries: CastleMagic - Castle Builders of the US

btw, Alasdiar it would be so swell if you could post photos and plans of your stronghold as it gets built, pleassse! make our mouths drool and eyes water!
Just one word of caution: be sure to waterproof those tanks on the outside extremely well.

Also, i found your use of septic tanks and built site scrap pretty ingenious...ok ppl! lets brainstorm here and see if we can find more of these witty modern solutions to keep the cost of building your dream-castle down, and henceforth, better your odds of getting to build one!!

Alasdair and the ppl of Castlemagic also pinpointed one major advantage of castle building: sturdy, modern materiales (and relatively inexpensive ones) can be made to look period easily. Huge timbers of wood for hall roofs could also be mimicked with plaster or resin. What i gather from this is that the principal factors that make castles expensive is the size of such structures (towers, perimeter walls) and the uncommmon design (thick walls, crenelations, moats, bigger-than-needed archs & doorways, having to build [in the best of cases, i must add] in a remote or hard to reach area, etc.)

well? what'ya think?


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Fire Stryker
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posted 03-20-2001 06:43 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Heya, welcome to the board.

Yes, Templar Bob posted Castle Magic's link a couple of months back. Very interesting stuff. Now if only I held the winning lottery ticket.

Chef de Chambre insists that it not only look the part but it MUST fullfill the role of a fortified manor house!

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Gwen
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posted 03-20-2001 06:57 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Why Jenn- you guys planning to be attacked soon?

Gwen


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Fire Stryker
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posted 03-20-2001 07:55 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
In this modern age, one can never be too cautious.
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Friedrich
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posted 03-20-2001 08:04 PM     Profile for Friedrich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Dan & I will volunteer to siege it! After all, practice makes perfect!!!

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Reinhard von Lowenhaupt
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posted 03-21-2001 11:46 AM     Profile for Reinhard von Lowenhaupt   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
My 'fortified manor' is still in the finishing stages of design. Just about a week ago my wife and I finalized a floor plan, and I'm working on the relief drawings (along with a dozen other projects). When I finish, I'll post them, and send mine off to the architect.
I'm planning to start building this anachronism this fall or next spring (depending on how early winter starts this coming year). And I promise to keep everyone posted. And, you can all come and try to sack it when complete (my wife even agreed to let me do it!) Just don't use gunpowder!
I plan to use the discarded concrete tanks for the perimeter wall. For the main house, I plan to utilize an insulated form with poured concrete design (like they use for basement walls, and are starting to for homes) and cover with a stone veneer, and some parts with stucco. As for the stucco/half-timbered areas, that's the great thing about moving to New England--hand hewn timber can be found quite easily.
Things like the garage and horse stalls use the outside retaining wall as one of their exterior walls, thus eliminating some expenses. And, I'm planning on using the entry gate tower as a guest apartment (over the entry to the 'courtyard'.
In any event, it will be a lot of fun and hard work to build. And, I know the planning and zoning board will get a real laugh out of me.
As for defendability, you don't want to get into the courtyard and tangle with the dogs! And a house with a 6"-8" stone face over 12" of poured reinforced concrete is pretty indestructable. While an invasion isn't forseeable, protecting my family from the robbing murdering scum that inhabit this planet is a real issue. Especially if you live out in the country and people think you have money! I would find a stone walled house with only one real way in or out a little imposing, and move on to the next house.

After all, a man's home is his castle!


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IvarH
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posted 03-21-2001 12:30 PM     Profile for IvarH   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
When I still lived in Oregon, I specialized in the design of timber-framed houses. Most were full mortise & tenon jointed, structural frames from the sill to the ridge. Some were hybrids with a stick-built frame and a timber-framed roof. Great halls with gallerys were very popular.
Although the hand-joined frames are high-end, (especially now with very little high-quality 8x8+ DF lumber available), there are people and companies out there that do a form of timber-frame structures that use hidden mechanical fasteners that are comparatively inexpensive. (especially if you do the raising yourself.) If you build with masonry/concrete walls and only use the exposed heavy framing for the major rooms' roofs, I imagine you could get the effect you want for relatively little extra expense. (and it would be structural) If on the other hand you want (and can pay for it), the carved, hammer-beam roof for your great hall, there are people out there who are quite willing and qualified to put chisel to timber...

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posted 03-21-2001 12:33 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Jeff, Gwen...

Can we borrow that trebuchet you all worked on? We will need it to test Alasdair's fortified manor. *evil grin*


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Reinhard von Lowenhaupt
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posted 03-21-2001 01:34 PM     Profile for Reinhard von Lowenhaupt   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Jenn, go ahead with the trebuchet, just as long as I can use a culverin... I just said that YOU can't use gunpowder!
he he


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posted 03-21-2001 01:42 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Oh... I see. How unsporting.

Ah the joys of escalation.


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Friedrich
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posted 03-21-2001 07:11 PM     Profile for Friedrich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Jenn: There's always greek fire!
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Reinhard von Lowenhaupt
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posted 03-21-2001 11:29 PM     Profile for Reinhard von Lowenhaupt   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
And, tell me Freidrich, where did you learn to make Greek fire?
Jenn, it may be unsporting of me, but the only assistance I have is my 4y.o. son. God help you all if I unleash him on you!
Just kidding! I do however plan to have some 'activities' including a possible siege of the Manor. Not to mention some feasts in the great hall...
Time to get my head out of the clouds, and back to work. Talk to you later.

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posted 03-23-2001 05:39 PM     Profile for montecristo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
hey as my old-granpa used to say...'if you canīt storm them, starve them out!'

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posted 03-23-2001 09:58 PM     Profile for Friedrich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
My parents were chemists and my major was physics. Need I say more?
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Reinhard von Lowenhaupt
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posted 03-23-2001 10:25 PM     Profile for Reinhard von Lowenhaupt   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Okay, okay, that does it! I AM GOING TO UNLEASH MY 4yo ON THE LOT OF YOU! And, may God have mercy upon your souls!!!!
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posted 03-23-2001 10:57 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
OK Aladair,

Two can play that game! If your going to unleash a nuclear powered weapon, I gets to use a bigassed ol' bombard with a mantlet - it's that or the terror of my 7 yr old niece.

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Reinhard von Lowenhaupt
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posted 03-24-2001 01:17 PM     Profile for Reinhard von Lowenhaupt   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I can't decide wether to sue for peace, or break out the beer and boiled eggs and prepare for biological warfare.
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posted 03-24-2001 04:21 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
"Beer and eggs..."

Oh I see! You're going to GAS them out! If that's the plan, I'll have to loan you Hugo, as he's an expert!

Gwen


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Reinhard von Lowenhaupt
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posted 03-24-2001 08:16 PM     Profile for Reinhard von Lowenhaupt   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I came up with a new, ingenious idea! Maybe I should have you all bring that trebuchet, load it with stone, slather one side with morter, and then have you shoot them into place on the retaining walls!
It would definitely save me a great deal of money, as well as provide great entertainment.
(Just kidding!--although when I do host a tournament, I hope to see all of you!)

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posted 03-25-2001 01:46 PM     Profile for Russ Mitchell   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The old Hungarians apparently used a timber-and-earth method whereby they'd set some pretty big honking fires in their ramparts, and the interior planks would have enough open space to channel air and heat, turning their earthworks into a ceramic mass...

Might be something to try for folks who want a castle-like house and live in a forest-fire zone.


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