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Friedrich
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posted 05-15-2002 11:13 PM

I am in search of suggestions for proper lance designs for the 1470's. (Chef, feel free to comment on design requirements.) We need to make one for quintain practice and another representing a longer combat lance. Or does anyone know of a source that offers proper ones for sale that are proper and useable?

There are book pictures that I can interpret and Higgins has a few odd ones in their collections. However I am interested in hearing from others about design specifications. IE, length, width and taper, balance point, etc. Technical spec's gladly appreciated!

Suggestions?

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Callum Forbes
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posted 05-16-2002 12:48 AM

I can't help you on late 15th C. lances specially. In NZ and Australia we base ours on earlier late 14th century illustrations. As far as I know none of the sports jousting groups in your country are using lances that even have a remote resemblance to an actual historical design.

I'm happy to e-mail you our lance design specs if you are interested. Otherwise one of the good 15th century groups like Destrier in the UK could also be worth contacting.

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Friedrich
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posted 05-16-2002 01:46 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Callum Forbes:
I'm happy to e-mail you our lance design specs if you are interested.

Yes, please!!!

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NEIL G
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posted 05-16-2002 04:41 AM

Hi;

If it's any help, we have a number of surviving lances in museums in the UK (Royal armouries, Wallace collection) and france (Les Invalids).

They follow several different patterns and lengths, and are mostly jousting, rather than war, lances.

I don't have the data to hand - I'm travelling on business right now - but I'll try to post the data when I get back in a week or so.

Neil

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posted 05-16-2002 08:11 AM

Neil,

If you get a chance, some data would be greatly appreciated. Also, if anyone has some specs on quintain construction that would be great too.

Friedrich,

Glen K had a page that I think is an overview.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/7530/Lance/

Jenn

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NEIL G
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Member # 187

posted 05-16-2002 09:37 AM

Hi Jenn

May not be for a while - my job means I'm in Sweden right now, but on the upside, I'm going to get to visit the Royal Arsenal in Copenhagen again, which has some nice tilting armour.

Don't think there's much detail available about quintains other the manuscript illustrations, and not even as many of those as you'd expect.

It's worth noting that some of the best-known illustrations of quintains show people running them on foot, and I've seen a lot of books dismiss these as "Apprentices imitating their betters". Maybe they are, but Duarte does actually recommend practicing the quintain on foot, so then again, maybe not....

Neil

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jcesarelli
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posted 05-16-2002 11:33 AM

Freidrich,

I am not at home, when I can I will get you some more info. If you look at this link, however, it will give you a general idea of what you are shooting for, without the vamplate.
http://www.geocities.com/ulfberth/Leger1b.htm

Joseph

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posted 05-16-2002 12:07 PM

I think Duarte does mention something about trying it from the ground with a lance first before trying it on a horse.

For the other stuff, when you get a chance.

Thanks,

Jenn

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NEIL G
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posted 05-16-2002 12:20 PM

There's some good stuff on mounted lance - a lot of it from Duarte - in Sydney Anglo's "Martial Arts of Renaissance Europe"

The book is a bit pricey (�35ish), and mostly concerned with fencing, but I've got a copy if people are interested.

Neil

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