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NEIL G
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posted 03-26-2002 02:53 PM
Hi,Just visited the Royal armouries in Stockholm, and among the expected horse armours etc, I spotted three items identified as "Horse Muzzles" - imagine something like the basket hilt of a sword, but sized to go over the front of a horse' head. Two were dated (scurely, the dates are actually formed out of part of the design) as 1512 and 1555 (slightly late, I know, but not by much!) Unfortunately, labelling said very litle more than that, even in Swedish. All three look solid enough to stop a sword cut - though that doesn't mean that they were intended to, fragile items don't survive well around horses - and rather well-made to be utilitarian items of stable equipment. I can see why I might want a muzzle on something like a hyped-up warhorse, but I'm not familiar with any comparable items from elsewhere. Anyone else have any ideas or comments? Neil
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NEIL G
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posted 03-27-2002 02:57 AM
Hi,The ones in Stockholm are pretty similar to the picture you posted..maybe a little wider spaced bars, and dated a little earlier. Hockey masks for horses, anyone? Seriously, Jenn - any data on how these things were used (.....as in "on what occasion", before some smart ass says "well, you put it over the horse' mouth...) Neil
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jcesarelli
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posted 03-27-2002 11:03 AM
Modern horse muzzles(which have the same basic form, though not the same structure(materials), are used for horses that have foundered, allowing them to drink, but controlling when and what they eat. The muzzle pictured is so ornate, possibly indicating a ceremonial use(?), but is it possible that someone who was able to own a horse would spend the money to show off, even if the muzzle was being used for practical purposes?[ 03-27-2002: Message edited by: jcesarelli ] -------------------- Joseph It is the very difficult horses that have the most to give you. Lendon Gray
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Acelynn
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posted 03-27-2002 04:33 PM
quote: Modern horse muzzles(which have the same basic form, though not the same structure(materials), are used for horses that have foundered, allowing them to drink, but controlling when and what they eat.
And cribbers and biters. Actually I wasn't "dismissing" the other uses of muzzles as addressing Neil's thoughts on the subject. Most of the metal muzzles you can buy today are of the "eat through" type, as they are primarily used for horses with the above vices. There are some "bib" muzzles that prevent a horse from tearing at their blanket while allowing it to eat/drink/bite normally that are usually of rubber. The current leather muzzle in use by my barn owner for her evil young stallion looks like a basket with a metal ring at the top and bottom and leather strips woven in a basket pattern. However, he can still eat and drink normally though it. I have also seen canvas muzzles that have a "breathing hole" in the bottom front but resemble feed bags. Given though examples it seems entirely possible that some horse owners paid for "fancier" muzzles while other ones constructed of materials not so likely to last have vanished. Ace
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jcesarelli
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posted 03-28-2002 09:57 AM
quote: Originally posted by Acelynn: And cribbers and biters. Actually I wasn't "dismissing" the other uses of muzzles as addressing Neil's thoughts on the subject.
Acelynn, I was not implying that you were dismissing anything, my apologies if that was the way it came across. One of the problems with written replies is you cannot hear the tone associated with a comment. What I meant by my comment is, except for the materials, the design of the muzzles has not significantly changed, so my question becomes, would the uses have changed all that much either? -------------------- Joseph It is the very difficult horses that have the most to give you. Lendon Gray
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Acelynn
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posted 03-28-2002 11:38 AM
quote: I was not implying that you were dismissing anything, my apologies if that was the way it came across.
I didn't assume so, but I wanted to make sure you realized my intent as well You are right, the written word makes it darn hard to tell. I *think* you are probably right in your assumption from the standpoint that certain items of hardware in the horse world have seen few changes from their original development since the essence and need for the design is still the same. IE the basic shape of a horse shoe, the basic design of a European stirrup, bits, etc are, in many cases, very similar to their historical counterpart. I cannot prove that of course but it does seem a reasonable line of though to follow. Just my two cents (or pence or groats, whatever works)  Ace [ 03-28-2002: Message edited by: Acelynn ]
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NEIL G
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posted 05-10-2002 02:49 AM
Hi;Just back from Copenhagen (I travel around europe a lot with my job), and managed to fit half a day visiting the Royal Arsenal museum there. Guess what - yet more of these steel horse muzzles. There's a fairly plain one dated to 1550, and a more elaborated, gilded one associated with the feild and tourney armour of Adolf, Duke of Gottorp-Pullegau. Don't ask me what "associated with" means - it's in the same display case as the armour, and the labelling wouldn't even fill a business card and was in Danish anyway. Once you start noticing these damn things, they start turning up everywhere, don't they? Neil
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