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Gordon Clark
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posted 11-08-2002 11:12 AM
   
I would like to hear more about civilian impressions. I guess by civilian I mean "not wearing livery" - is that a decent definition?Most groups represented here seem to have scenarios involving a camp of soldiers with some civilian "hangers on". Is that fair? Are there civilians (particularly male) that really should be there, but that usually don't get 'played'? Thanks Gordon
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Tomasz
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posted 11-11-2002 07:45 AM
Hi,Brent, your list is simply great, I´m trying to translate it into German (and to find the period names for all these crafts).
What I can give you (and I hope it helps), is a list of all combattants and civilians that joined the Regensburg levy for the Hussite wars in 1431. Ok, here we go :
- Hauptmann Soller and 73 men-at-arms
- 71 crossbowmen
- 16 handgunners
- pikemen (not alike the Swiss pikemen of the Burgundian wars, rather city carfstmen called to arms, outfitted with a wide range of staff weapons like pikes, halberds, etc.)
- a chapel ("on" a wagon) with a priest from the Ahkirche
- smiths (not specified)
- leatherworkers (again, not specified)
- tailors
- cooks
- butchers All in all, 284 men. The quote also says that 6 cannons also were taken along with the train, though nothing is said about specialist guncrews. I suppose that they were operated by some of the civillians. btw.: the account is taken from: Max Mendheim, Das Reichsstädtische, besonders Nürnberger, Söldnerwesen im 14. und 15. Jahrhundert, Leipzig 1889. -------------------- ----------------------------------
Tomasz Nowak
Evocatio Ratisbonensis 1470
www.evocatio.de
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Martin
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posted 05-06-2004 02:08 AM
[ 09-01-2004: Message edited by: Martin ] -------------------- Verpa es, qui istuc leges. Non es fidenter scripto!
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Martin
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posted 05-06-2004 02:22 AM
[ 09-01-2004: Message edited by: Martin ] -------------------- Verpa es, qui istuc leges. Non es fidenter scripto!
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Woodcrafter
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posted 05-06-2004 01:19 PM
Normally I portray a woodworker. Most of my tools box up smaller than my fighting armour. Transporting the boards is the most difficult part. Now that I will soon have a spring powered lathe, I will exceed the armour bag size. However alot of siege scenes do not show work tables. Alot of woodwork was done on the ground. Or at best on a bench. Bodgers would move into a forest clearing and set up their lathe. I have had retired woodworkers take an interest in what I am doing. Mostly they are excited seeing all the old hand tools being used. They only used high technology powered tools to do the trade. This quickly lead to a discussion of jointing methods and why they were or were not used. Much older people like the display because they remember their parents or grand parents using such tools. I don't let children near the sharp tools, but most of the fibre arts are safe to let people of all ages attempt. An armourer could let people raise thin sheet or a leather worker could have people stamp wet leather. I would guess that most craft tool boxes would not be very large. The itinerant tinker in the Lutter Psalter pops to mind. It would be the supplies that take up room. Casting in an open fire pit does not take furniture. Any armouring requires a stool and a stump or work surface for the anvil. You could not grind flour (as an example) in an industrial manner without the large machine, but hand grinding can still be done. I like the idea of a gravedigger. All I would need is a shovel. :-) And perhaps a long string with a knot for everyone's height. -------------------- Woodcrafter
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Martin
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posted 05-06-2004 03:42 PM
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Martin
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posted 05-07-2004 03:55 PM
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Martin
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posted 05-09-2004 05:00 AM
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Martin
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posted 05-10-2004 10:26 AM
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Martin
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posted 05-10-2004 10:27 AM
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Woodcrafter
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posted 05-10-2004 04:08 PM
Cool.If we keep your wine glass full, can we browse those books? :-) I would definitely be willing to help out on any building you undertake. There are always 'hobby farms' coming on the market up island from Victoria. Small 10 to 50 acre patches of land at reasonable prices. Victoria area is expensive. The mainland is expensive. Only once you get into the interior of BC is the land cheap. You could buy a run down house in the city and remove it, replacing it with a timber frame house, but then it would be out of context. -------------------- Woodcrafter
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Martin
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posted 05-11-2004 12:39 PM
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