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Topic: 15th C. Pas d'Armes?
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Gwen
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posted 03-02-2002 10:19 AM
    
Ok, so I'll admit that I lurk on a number of different lists, and reading one of them has made me start thinking.....Why is it that none of us have considered doing a 15th C. pas d'armes a la Rene? If we did it there wouldn't be any [insert modern sport or other equipment here]. We would use real weapons, real horses, etc., and I think that would be a blast, and absolutely awesome. Jeff complains frequently that the problem with all of the currently operating jousting shows in the US is that they miss all of the pagentry, color, and chivalry of historical jousting and opt for a black on black / WWF on horseback / hit 'em from behind approach for the sake of "entertainment". He and I always bewail the fact that if done properly (like "A Knight's tale") it would be as spectacular now as it was then. *sigh* Now don't get me wrong, I do enjoy what we do, but you have to admit that hunching over a fire forever cooking meals for the masses has limited appeal for the women of the groups. Having an opportunity to wear a Big Dress™ and be "courtly" for a day, watching heroic deeds performed by excruciatingly well dressed/armoured men, well, I can't deny the appeal........ Thoughts? Gwen, who is probaby suffering from delusions of grandeur brought on by looking at Rene's Book of the Tournament too frequently and too closely....oh yeah, lack of coffee yet this morning, that's probably a contributing factor! 
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Reinhard von Lowenhaupt
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posted 03-02-2002 04:59 PM
$#@!@# THAT'S WHY I NEED TO GET MOVED!!!!I swear one of the first things I want to do when I get moved is to have a tournament! It looks as though this summer is the move date. Start badgering me for a date next spring! -------------------- Per Mortem Vinco
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chef de chambre
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posted 03-02-2002 06:35 PM
Hi Gwen,I've chatted about doing this before! It's just that nobody listens to me. That's why I want a great bascinet with an exchange visor, so I can do foot combat or mounted crest whacking. -------------------- Bob R.
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Rodric
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posted 03-03-2002 05:59 AM
Callum Forbes, our New Zealand IJA (International Jousting Association) member, is hosting the IJA World Championships next January in New Zealand. The theme for this event is Chivalry Tournament. Callum intends to have archery comps for the lower classes, foot combat with swords for the men-at-arms and knights and of course the jousting as the main event. We are all 14th century, early and late and have strict standards in place as regards equipment. I'm sure Callum can give you more back ground.
We here in Australia also do the jousting at the Abbey Museum Medieval Tournament each year and are hosting the Australasian Championships there this year. One of the groups that attends usually fields up to 40 fully armoured knights and men-at-arms in smicko 14th century harnesses. Now that is something to see.Cheers Rod -------------------- Cheers
Rod
Sweat more in Training. Bleed Less in War.
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Acelynn
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posted 03-03-2002 09:02 AM
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One of the groups that attends usually fields up to 40 fully armoured knights and men-at-arms in smicko 14th century harnesses. Now that is something to see.
I'm sure it is, wow. Unfortunately it seems most of the groups in the US that have more than four or five horse owners are primarily "show jousting" troupes that are a bit less worried about proper harness. The LH groups that are well turned out, don't have that many horse owners it seems. I have seen hundreds of mounted participants at American Civil War re-enactments though...guess it is all where one's interest lies  Ace
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Callum Forbes
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posted 03-03-2002 04:53 PM
Just to add more details to Rod's post - We (Order of the Boar) are hosting a late 14th century tournament here in New Zealand on January 11th and 12th 2003. The venue is Harcourt Park in Upper Hutt where some of the "Lord of the Rings" was also filmed.We originally were planning just to hold the IJA world jousting championships but were then inspired by the tournaments in a "Knights Tale" so decided to add in other activities such as the archery and the sword fighting tournaments as well. By enforcing some standards of authencity to costume and equipment used by the various re-enactors taking part we hope to capture both the excitement and look of the original tournaments. -------------------- URL=http://www.jousting.co.nz Facebook [URL=http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1290562306]
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chef de chambre
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posted 03-03-2002 05:50 PM
Hi Gwen,I want to do the melee ahorseback proper. Give Jeff a chance to take a whack at a nice, white cuirbolli and parchment wolf. Also the pollaxe on foot stuff, but definately must be trotting around in tabard and Normandie in caprison, and weilding nice octagonal clubs as illustrated in Rene. Give it a couple of years, and I should be able to field a team of three or four fellows for one side. -------------------- Bob R.
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Hugh Knight
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posted 03-03-2002 07:31 PM
Hi Gwen,
I'm sure you have it, but just in case you don't, there's an on-line translation of Rene at:
http://www.princeton.edu/~ezb/rene/renehome.html I have participated in two deeds of arms using this format, and found it to be a blast. -------------------- Regards,
Hugh Knight
Welcome to the Church of the Open Field; let us 'prey': Hunt hard, kill swiftly, waste nothing, make no aplogies.
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Callum Forbes
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posted 03-04-2002 07:15 PM
Hi Julien, I've never heard of the South Pacific Jousting Federation but I am the current secretary for the IJA (formed in England in 1987 and affiliated to the British Horse Association. More information on the IJA is on our website www.jousting.co.nz The Australian chapter is the Ordre of ye Blak Prynz and a contact for them is Rod Walker ("Rodric" of a few posts above). There will also be an IJA-sanctioned jousting tournament at Abbey this July and I will contact you in due course about some of the items in your catalogue.-------------------- URL=http://www.jousting.co.nz Facebook [URL=http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1290562306]
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Egfroth
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posted 03-10-2002 07:24 AM
Rod,When's Abbey on next? As you probably know, I do 11th century, but the spectacle appeals, and I could certainly get up a C14 archer's outfit for the occasion. But Brissy's a long way away from Melbourne . . . -------------------- Go Smiggins Holes 2010! Egfroth See my website at www.geocities.com/egfrothos
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Callum Forbes
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posted 03-11-2002 08:39 PM
Hi Egforth. Abbey is two days this year - July 6 and 7. We are going and New Zealand is even a longer way to come from...-------------------- URL=http://www.jousting.co.nz Facebook [URL=http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1290562306]
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Jace
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posted 04-02-2002 06:06 AM
Hi All,Just a quick note to let people know that we are holding a 1300-1500 event in Australia this May(10-13). Where we hope to put into effect some new events. Rod (m'lord) may be able to shed more light on what we hope to do. So hopefully next year we can increase on our expected numbers of 40 people. hope to see most of the Australians on the list there. Please contact myself or rod for more details. -------------------- Jace
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