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Otto von Teich
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posted 03-20-2001 10:51 PM     Profile for Otto von Teich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I haven't seen any authentic examples with a spring visor catch.I also haven't seen any authentic examples with the strap you commonly see going around the back of the helmet to secure the visor on modern reproductions.Does anyone know if these straps were ever used in the days of old?
I believe they just relied on gravity to hold the visor down.But for modern reenactment, would would you recomend?
Thanks in advance, Otto

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chef de chambre
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posted 03-20-2001 11:15 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Otto,

This would probably be better off on the Arms & armour section of FireStryker, regardless, I'll give it a go here.

Historically, bascinets did not have catches, they usually would only have the visor lowered for a cavalry charge with the visor being raised after first contact, or lowered in an arrow storm. To stay alive in a battle you have to breathe freely and have good vision, and there are plenty of historical examples of knights and lords being killed because they left their visors up even in the most dangerous of circumstances.

In modern re-enactment as we understand the term on this board, there is nor reason to have the visor secured down in an inauthentic manner. Nearly all re-enactment (not martial sport) societies do not target the head, or if they do so do not allow foining toward the face, but a vertical blow at the crown of the head. We do not give and take blows at near full force (nor do any martial sport societies, or there would be no calibration - you would just hit each other as hard as possible), and so the equipment in it's original form (if not composition T.P.) is adequate for the purpose of safety.

A general rule of thumb in a lot of re-enactment societies is they do not allow the targeting of unarmoured portions of a person - this tends to cut down on injuries as well. Of course you must abide by the rules of the game that you play. A well hidden spring pin would be less noisome in my eyes than a whopping leather strap. Both are inauthentic for the 14th c.

Hope this helps

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Bob R.


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Otto von Teich
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posted 03-21-2001 09:26 AM     Profile for Otto von Teich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks Bob, the main reason I asked is that I want to play in the SCA too.I did finally find an example with what looks to be a spring catch to hold the visor down, but the visor,while original did not belong to the helmet.I think the catch may have been added at a later date, maybe in the 15th century or even later.If straps were not used, I too think that the catch would be less noticable.Thanks again, Otto
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Yeoman
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posted 05-07-2001 02:46 AM     Profile for Yeoman     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I am curious about this too, with SCA combat in mind. I currently have a strap on my bargrill (for my 14th c. style bascinet with aventail), and am casting about for a solution for how to adequately support the round-faced visor, I have recently obtained for the same helm.

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Tim Finkas (aka Henri le Brassey)
The Company of Yeoman Archers
The Historical Forgerie


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