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hauptfrau
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posted 10-08-2000 01:00 PM     Profile for hauptfrau     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Here’s a question that has come up once again, and I’d love some input.

As most of you know, my company specializes in historic clothing reproductions and historically inspired costumes. I see a clear difference between copying something that existed as accurately as possible and making something up out of one’s imagination and so most people. My conflict on conscience doesn’t occur when someone wants something “fantasy medievaloid”, as that’s clearly a costume. My conflict arises when a prospective client contacts me and wants something completely non-historical done to a very historical garment, such as in this case:

I've been looking over your site and I've got to say that this is some of the best looking period clothing I've seen. I'm really interested in the long wool gown, but have a couple questions on customizing it just a bit. Mainly, I do want to add the wool buttons in the same color as the gown, but specifically, I'd like to let the sleeves out a bit from the elbow to the wrist. I noticed that they're tapered in the picture and I'm going more for a 'mage robe' look, and would prefer room in the wrist. I'd gladly pay any amount for such work.

Here’s the conflict: If I do as the client wants and turn the Herjolfsnes gown into a magician’s robe by adding these stupid sleeves, and someone who knows my work sees it, will my credibility be affected? I assume the client won’t say that they wanted the sleeve alteration, he’ll just say “I got this from Black Swan Designs, and it’s a historical garment”.

Your thoughts?

Gwen

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hauptfrau
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posted 10-08-2000 02:21 PM     Profile for hauptfrau     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It's easy to turn away work, I do that all the time. However, it is an indisputable fact that my business exists to provide me with a living, and I can't turn everything that isn't 100% accurate away or I'd be living in the street.

The issue for me specifically in a case like this is whether my overall credibility as a historical clothing maker is adversely affected when I add blatantly non-historical details to an otherwise historically accurate garment.

Let's face it- this is an almost $500 no-brainer job. I'd like to do it because its easy money. I wonder though if it will lose me that amount or more if my research is thought questionable.

I'm asking this forum because many people here buy clothing for their portrayals (not all from me), and I wondered how they would respond to this situation.

Gwen


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Fire Stryker
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posted 10-08-2000 05:48 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey Gwen,

I have an idea. In order to protect your reputation/credibility, not that I think it would be damaged, you might take a picture of this garment when finished and place it in a "Custom-custom" section titled non-historical costume. That way people can see it was not "historically inspired" or you can add a piece to your area description indicating that you accept occasional "fantasy" costume requests. That way people who bother to read will know that it is your normal work.

What do you think?

Jenn

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Friedrich
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posted 10-08-2000 08:32 PM     Profile for Friedrich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I agree with Jenn on being flexible or maybe flexible enough at YOUR discression. I think a non-historical or maybe a "Influenced by historical styles" page would be a good way to differentiate. Or perhaps under the fantasy page? How about adding a line or two under your greetings/default page saying, customized or non-historical (fantasy) commissions accepted on a piece by piece basis... And with a warning that such requested items will be historically influenced but not necessarily period accurate. I'd still be specific and say that current, historical items offered are not subject or available for alteration. IE historical shirts other than linen white not made, etc., or tights made without codpieces...

Friedrich

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hauptfrau
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posted 10-08-2000 08:39 PM     Profile for hauptfrau     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
In order to protect your reputation/credibility, not that I think it would be damaged,

Jenn's opinion is that my credibility / reputation wouldn't be damaged. That's the type of answer that I wanted.

I just double-checked and I do have a "fantasy" section on the site, so I obviously do that stuff. It's this cross-over stuff that concerns me.

Thanks for the input

Anyone else have an opinion?


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Fire Stryker
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posted 10-09-2000 07:53 AM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Another idea...

You know how some writers use a nom de plume? Well what about putting a tag in the non-historical stuff and calling it "The Reluctant Swan" or "Designs by Snowbear". Just kidding, but it might be worth considering if you want to keep the two "lines" separate. I know you guys have all these different things going on...just one more animal for the menagerie.


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Mike T
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posted 10-30-2000 12:02 AM     Profile for Mike T   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Gwern, I know your pain. We have been trying for a few years to weed out the junk from the shop, so as to provide a true historical look. A while back, I went to a trade show, and there was this fella selling smoking pipes made to look like Tolkienesque characters. I took one look and said "My God, these would sell like hotcakes to the General Population" (as I have taken to calling the run-of-the-mill SCA population, we being the Hannibal Lector-like "Special Cases"). I almost did it, but my conscience would not let me. On the other hand, our business is not bringing in a great part of our household income, so sometimes it is necessary to grit one's teeth and accept the necessary. I like the idea of an alter ego doing the fantasy stuff. Besides, if everything is as we see it to be, the only ones who will recognize the clothing to be "historically deflowered" will be us, and we will attribute it to your brief period of heavy intravenous drug use, and say no more Just Kidding (Don't Shoot?) Mike T.
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hauptfrau
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posted 10-30-2000 12:45 AM     Profile for hauptfrau     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Geez Mike, now you're spilling the beans on me - noone was supposed to know about that period....

"Historically deflowered"???? I commend you on your "imaginative" use of the English language!

Gwen


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posted 10-30-2000 12:11 PM     Profile for Prince Of Darkmoor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hello all,

My opinion is that there is nothing wrong with doing the alteration; it just goes to show your ability to improvise on the design of the clothing to better suit the customer - and that's what a company is all about right? Of course, you do have the right to refuse service to anyone. You could just say, "Sorry, but Black Swan Designs only does authentic reproductions of clothing and your requested alteration cannot be made. We pride ourselves on staying as true to history as possible, and this does not fit within our scope of work..." or something.

My opinion - do the alteration but let the customer know that this isn't an authentic piece and they're only cheapening it (and possibly your reputation) by saying it is.

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Castle Darkmoor


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posted 10-30-2000 07:42 PM     Profile for hauptfrau     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I told the client the weird sleeves weren't right and he said "I don't care, tell me how much the ones I want will cost". How could I say no?

I decided that anyone who knows me realizes that I know better than to pass this off as historically coirrect, and that the alteration was probably done at the client's instruction. People like this generally boast about the item being a custom deal, so I'm probably off the hook.

I need to stop agonizing over every little thing. I worry far too much. *sigh*

I do like the idea of doing this type of thing under the "Reluctant Swan" label though.... maybe I'll just have to have some labels made up.

Thanks for the input!

Gwen


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