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Fire Stryker
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posted 08-02-2006 08:55 AM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Does anyone know which institution holds the Hastings MS. [f.122b] document in their collection?

Is it the British Library?

I'm not looking for the online translation of Archaeologia No. 57 on the CBS web site.

Thanks,

Jenn

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posted 08-02-2006 02:05 PM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks for asking, as I'd been meaning to look that up and your question gave me an excuse to check it out.

Edge and Paddock, p 117, says it's currently held by the Pierpont Morgan Library (New York?), and that it's an English manuscript dated to the mid 15th century.

This was interesting to me in that I originally thought it was held either by Cambridge or Oxford libraries.


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posted 08-02-2006 02:15 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks Jeff. I'd been chasing my tail in circles at lunch time the other day and like most references on the Internet, they all parrot the same info.

It was time to break the Archaeologian 57 cycle.

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posted 08-02-2006 02:16 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yep. NYC.
http://www.morganlibrary.org/

Better yet, the PM's research pages:
http://corsair.morganlibrary.org/

The Hastings Manuscript doesn't appear to be listed, but it may not have been digitized. Worth a contact though.

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Brent E Hanner
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posted 08-02-2006 04:01 PM     Profile for Brent E Hanner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It is in the catalog. That manuscript apears to have always been in private hands but some of the texts contained in it are also in other manuscripts.

Location: Medieval and Renaissance Manuscripts (MRMSS)
Call Number: MS M.0775
Record ID: 158842
Accession Number: MS M.775
Name: Pierpont Morgan Library. Manuscript. M.775.
Title: [Ordonances of Chivalry].
Published/Created: [England, probably London, third and fourth quarters of the 15th century]
Description: 320 leaves, (1 column, 28 lines), bound : vellum, ill. ; 244 x 165 mm.
Links: More information about this manuscript
Folios with Images: Click here for list
Genres: Illuminated manuscripts--England--London--15th century.
Miniatures (Illuminations)--England--London--15th century.
Diagrams, Astronomical.
Vellum.
Textura.
Coats of arms.
Calf bindings (Binding)--England--16th century.
Blocked bindings (Binding)--England--16th century.
Royal bindings (Binding)--England--16th century.
Language: Middle English and Latin
Script: textura
Notes: Ms. Ordonances of Chivalry written and illuminated in England, probably London, 3rd and 4th quarters of the 15th century.
Texts: 1) Abilment for the Jusus of the Pees (fol. 3-4v; 2) Memoriale - a table for calculating daily and yearly expenses (fol. 5-11v); 3) The Assize of Bread and Ale, and tables of Weights and Measures (fols. 12-13v); 4) Poem on the Coronation of Henry VI in 1429 (fol. 14-15 and 24); 5) The Coronation of the Kings and Queens of England (fol. 16-23v); 6) Vegetius, De re militari, an English translation completed for Thomas Lord Berkeley (fol. 25-121v); 7) How a man schall be armyd at his ese when he schal fighte on foote (fol. 122v-123v); 8) Thomas, Duke of Gloucester, Letter to Richard II on Tournaments (fol. 124-130); 9) Sailing directions (fol. 131-138v); 10) Aristotle, Secreta Secretorum, translated into English verse by John Lydgate and Benedict Burgh (fol. 139-195); 11) How Knyghtis of the bath shulde be made (fol. 195v-198); 12) (To make agua composyta (fol. 199, added in a slightly later hand); 13) Last page or prologue of a poem in English beginning: I that to youre service wolde were able and ending: The pore effecte of my litill konnynge (fol. 200); 14) Christine de Pizan, Pistill of Othea to Hector; translated into English verse, with a gloss in prose (fol. 200v-274v); 15) Recipe for a powder (fol. 275); 16) The Challenges of Pierre de Masse and Philip Boyle and the results of their combats with Sir John Astley in 1438 and 1441-1442, followed by the oath of a herald on appointment (fols. 275v-282v); 17) Calendar in Latin, thunder prognostications, astrological tables and diagrams (fols. 283-291); 18) Parvus Cato and Magnus Cato, translated into English verse by Benedict Burgh (fols. 293-320); 19) John Lydgate, Four Things that make a Man a Fool (fol. 320); 20) Medical recipes (fol. 320v).
Decoration: 4 full-page and 5 smaller miniatures, 1 astrological table, 1 Zodiac Man, with inscriptions, 1 circular astrological diagram.
Artist: Wingfield Master
Binding: English stamped calf, gilt, ca. 1545, with motto ich dien of Edward VI Prince of Wales (his arms have been removed), by the King Edward and Queen Mary Binder.
Provenance: Written for Sir John Astley (d. 1486), arms on several pages: quarterly, 1 and 4, azure a cinquefoil ermine (Astley); 2 and 3, gules two bars or (Harcourt) over all a label of three points ermine); Thomas Fitzhugh (arms 'part azure a fesse inter three buckets sable hooped or'); Brian Tunstall; Thomas Tunstall; owned by Edward VI before accession in 1547; Astley family, to Sir A.E.D. Astley, 21st Lord Hastings; his sale (London, Sotheby's, July 20, 1931, pp. 9-15, lot 7, pl. VI-IX) to Quaritch; purchased through Quaritch in 1931.
Associated Names: Wingfield Master, fl. ca. 1450-1470, illuminator.
Christine, de Pisan, ca. 1364-ca. 1431.
Vegetius Renatus, Flavius.
Lydgate, John, 1370?-1451?
Burgh, Benedict.
Astley, John, d. 1486, patron.
Fitzhugh, Thomas, former owner.
Tunstall, Brian, former owner.
Tunstall, Thomas, former owner.
King Edward and Queen Mary Binder, binder.
Edward VI, King of England, 1537-1553, former owner.
Astley family, former owner.
Astley, A. E. D. 21st Lord Hastings, former owner.
Bernard Quaritch (Firm), bookseller.
Cite as: Pierpont Morgan Library. MS M.775.
Formatted Date: 1450-1499.
Formatted Place: England London.
Standard Bibliographies: De Ricci, v. 2, p. 1501-1502
Faye & Bond, p. 356-357
Publications on: Sir John Paston's 'Grete Boke': A Descriptive Catalogue with an introduction of British Library MS Lansdowne 285 / G. A. Lester. Cambridge [England] : D.S. Brewer ; Totowa, NJ,1984, p. 28-29, 31-34, 46-47, 71, 74, 76-77, 80, 82, 84, 86, 88, 91, 95, 96, 160, 164-165.
Later Gothic Manuscripts, 1390-1490 (A Survey of Manuscripts Illuminated in the British Isles, vol. VI) / Kathleen L. Scott. London, 1996, I, 29, 36, 38, 39, 49, 50, 58, 61, 71 n. 1, 78 n. 64; II, 216, 265, 289-93, 294, 295, 296, 343, 362, no. 105, repr. 395, 396, 397, col. repr. 14.
Bühler, Curt F., "Astrological prognostications in MS 775 of the Pierpont Morgan Library," Modern Language Notes LXV, 5 (1941), p. 351-355.
Subjects: Manuscripts, Latin (Medieval and modern)--New York (State)--New York.
Dept./Collection: Pierpont Morgan Library Dept. of Medieval and Renaissance Manuscripts


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posted 08-02-2006 04:34 PM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well, holy **** . Thanks for that Brent.

How did you find that? Did you get that from the Corsair site? So are any images of it online?

I didn't get anything when I looked for it.

Very cool.


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posted 08-02-2006 05:57 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
So how would one goi about getting copies of these?

Thomas, Duke of Gloucester, Letter to Richard II on Tournaments (fol. 124-130)

Challenges of Pierre de Masse and Philip Boyle and the results of their combats with Sir John Astley in 1438 and 1441-1442, followed by the oath of a herald on appointment (fols. 275v-282v)
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Brent E Hanner
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posted 08-02-2006 08:31 PM     Profile for Brent E Hanner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yes it was on the corsair site. You just search for Hastings in the Medieval and Ren Manuscripts. And no I didn't find any images.

The challenges are online, here http://www.chronique.com/Library/MedHistory/Archeochivalrytext.htm

I'd imagine that the letter is in the published text and if I go to the library this week I will check.

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Dave Key
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posted 10-13-2006 09:32 AM     Profile for Dave Key   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
If you want something from the Pierpoint Morgan, send them an email or letter. I found them very helpful when I asked a few years ago.

However, don't be surprised if they don't have everything on-line or easily accessible (may have changed these days).

At the time I got the MSS I was after on Microfiche plus a colour photo of the particular image I was after.

Cheers
Dave


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