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Fire Stryker
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posted 08-02-2006 08:55 AM
Does anyone know which institution holds the Hastings MS. [f.122b] document in their collection?Is it the British Library? I'm not looking for the online translation of Archaeologia No. 57 on the CBS web site. Thanks, Jenn -------------------- ad finem fidelis
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posted 08-02-2006 02:05 PM
Thanks for asking, as I'd been meaning to look that up and your question gave me an excuse to check it out.Edge and Paddock, p 117, says it's currently held by the Pierpont Morgan Library (New York?), and that it's an English manuscript dated to the mid 15th century. This was interesting to me in that I originally thought it was held either by Cambridge or Oxford libraries.
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Fire Stryker
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posted 08-02-2006 02:16 PM
Yep. NYC. http://www.morganlibrary.org/Better yet, the PM's research pages: http://corsair.morganlibrary.org/ The Hastings Manuscript doesn't appear to be listed, but it may not have been digitized. Worth a contact though. [ 08-02-2006: Message edited by: Fire Stryker ] -------------------- ad finem fidelis
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Brent E Hanner
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posted 08-02-2006 04:01 PM
It is in the catalog. That manuscript apears to have always been in private hands but some of the texts contained in it are also in other manuscripts.Location: Medieval and Renaissance Manuscripts (MRMSS) Call Number: MS M.0775 Record ID: 158842 Accession Number: MS M.775 Name: Pierpont Morgan Library. Manuscript. M.775. Title: [Ordonances of Chivalry]. Published/Created: [England, probably London, third and fourth quarters of the 15th century] Description: 320 leaves, (1 column, 28 lines), bound : vellum, ill. ; 244 x 165 mm. Links: More information about this manuscript Folios with Images: Click here for list Genres: Illuminated manuscripts--England--London--15th century. Miniatures (Illuminations)--England--London--15th century. Diagrams, Astronomical. Vellum. Textura. Coats of arms. Calf bindings (Binding)--England--16th century. Blocked bindings (Binding)--England--16th century. Royal bindings (Binding)--England--16th century. Language: Middle English and Latin Script: textura Notes: Ms. Ordonances of Chivalry written and illuminated in England, probably London, 3rd and 4th quarters of the 15th century. Texts: 1) Abilment for the Jusus of the Pees (fol. 3-4v; 2) Memoriale - a table for calculating daily and yearly expenses (fol. 5-11v); 3) The Assize of Bread and Ale, and tables of Weights and Measures (fols. 12-13v); 4) Poem on the Coronation of Henry VI in 1429 (fol. 14-15 and 24); 5) The Coronation of the Kings and Queens of England (fol. 16-23v); 6) Vegetius, De re militari, an English translation completed for Thomas Lord Berkeley (fol. 25-121v); 7) How a man schall be armyd at his ese when he schal fighte on foote (fol. 122v-123v); 8) Thomas, Duke of Gloucester, Letter to Richard II on Tournaments (fol. 124-130); 9) Sailing directions (fol. 131-138v); 10) Aristotle, Secreta Secretorum, translated into English verse by John Lydgate and Benedict Burgh (fol. 139-195); 11) How Knyghtis of the bath shulde be made (fol. 195v-198); 12) (To make agua composyta (fol. 199, added in a slightly later hand); 13) Last page or prologue of a poem in English beginning: I that to youre service wolde were able and ending: The pore effecte of my litill konnynge (fol. 200); 14) Christine de Pizan, Pistill of Othea to Hector; translated into English verse, with a gloss in prose (fol. 200v-274v); 15) Recipe for a powder (fol. 275); 16) The Challenges of Pierre de Masse and Philip Boyle and the results of their combats with Sir John Astley in 1438 and 1441-1442, followed by the oath of a herald on appointment (fols. 275v-282v); 17) Calendar in Latin, thunder prognostications, astrological tables and diagrams (fols. 283-291); 18) Parvus Cato and Magnus Cato, translated into English verse by Benedict Burgh (fols. 293-320); 19) John Lydgate, Four Things that make a Man a Fool (fol. 320); 20) Medical recipes (fol. 320v). Decoration: 4 full-page and 5 smaller miniatures, 1 astrological table, 1 Zodiac Man, with inscriptions, 1 circular astrological diagram. Artist: Wingfield Master Binding: English stamped calf, gilt, ca. 1545, with motto ich dien of Edward VI Prince of Wales (his arms have been removed), by the King Edward and Queen Mary Binder. Provenance: Written for Sir John Astley (d. 1486), arms on several pages: quarterly, 1 and 4, azure a cinquefoil ermine (Astley); 2 and 3, gules two bars or (Harcourt) over all a label of three points ermine); Thomas Fitzhugh (arms 'part azure a fesse inter three buckets sable hooped or'); Brian Tunstall; Thomas Tunstall; owned by Edward VI before accession in 1547; Astley family, to Sir A.E.D. Astley, 21st Lord Hastings; his sale (London, Sotheby's, July 20, 1931, pp. 9-15, lot 7, pl. VI-IX) to Quaritch; purchased through Quaritch in 1931. Associated Names: Wingfield Master, fl. ca. 1450-1470, illuminator. Christine, de Pisan, ca. 1364-ca. 1431. Vegetius Renatus, Flavius. Lydgate, John, 1370?-1451? Burgh, Benedict. Astley, John, d. 1486, patron. Fitzhugh, Thomas, former owner. Tunstall, Brian, former owner. Tunstall, Thomas, former owner. King Edward and Queen Mary Binder, binder. Edward VI, King of England, 1537-1553, former owner. Astley family, former owner. Astley, A. E. D. 21st Lord Hastings, former owner. Bernard Quaritch (Firm), bookseller. Cite as: Pierpont Morgan Library. MS M.775. Formatted Date: 1450-1499. Formatted Place: England London. Standard Bibliographies: De Ricci, v. 2, p. 1501-1502 Faye & Bond, p. 356-357 Publications on: Sir John Paston's 'Grete Boke': A Descriptive Catalogue with an introduction of British Library MS Lansdowne 285 / G. A. Lester. Cambridge [England] : D.S. Brewer ; Totowa, NJ,1984, p. 28-29, 31-34, 46-47, 71, 74, 76-77, 80, 82, 84, 86, 88, 91, 95, 96, 160, 164-165. Later Gothic Manuscripts, 1390-1490 (A Survey of Manuscripts Illuminated in the British Isles, vol. VI) / Kathleen L. Scott. London, 1996, I, 29, 36, 38, 39, 49, 50, 58, 61, 71 n. 1, 78 n. 64; II, 216, 265, 289-93, 294, 295, 296, 343, 362, no. 105, repr. 395, 396, 397, col. repr. 14. Bühler, Curt F., "Astrological prognostications in MS 775 of the Pierpont Morgan Library," Modern Language Notes LXV, 5 (1941), p. 351-355. Subjects: Manuscripts, Latin (Medieval and modern)--New York (State)--New York. Dept./Collection: Pierpont Morgan Library Dept. of Medieval and Renaissance Manuscripts
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posted 08-02-2006 04:34 PM
Well, holy **** . Thanks for that Brent.How did you find that? Did you get that from the Corsair site? So are any images of it online? I didn't get anything when I looked for it. Very cool.
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Brent E Hanner
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posted 08-02-2006 08:31 PM
Yes it was on the corsair site. You just search for Hastings in the Medieval and Ren Manuscripts. And no I didn't find any images.The challenges are online, here http://www.chronique.com/Library/MedHistory/Archeochivalrytext.htm I'd imagine that the letter is in the published text and if I go to the library this week I will check. Brent
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Dave Key
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posted 10-13-2006 09:32 AM
If you want something from the Pierpoint Morgan, send them an email or letter. I found them very helpful when I asked a few years ago.However, don't be surprised if they don't have everything on-line or easily accessible (may have changed these days). At the time I got the MSS I was after on Microfiche plus a colour photo of the particular image I was after. Cheers Dave
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