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Topic: belt fitting - strap loop with internal projections
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Gascoing
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posted 05-06-2004 05:40 PM
   
Hi all, Does anyone know how the strap loops with 2 opposed internal projections were fitted on leather straps?
I haven't found any satisfying hypothesis until now. Cheers, Loïc -------------------- Authenticity is not a way to re-enact. It's a way of life
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Gascoing
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posted 05-09-2004 05:54 AM
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Originally posted by Woodcrafter:
It could be improperly identified. It looks like a broken belt buckle to me.
Don't think so. There's a very clear european typology existing about those strap loops. See Dress Accessories pp. 234 - 235 for an example.
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Originally posted by Woodcrafter:
Belt loops were not common for the 14thc, most people tucked the loose end of their belt into their belt yet again.
They were. See Dress Accessories once again, and various french finds (Tours, etc), even if the famous technique of the the 'loose end tucking' is more widely seen in iconography.Loïc -------------------- Authenticity is not a way to re-enact. It's a way of life
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Woodcrafter
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posted 05-10-2004 03:27 PM
Well I stand corrected.
I never read up that part of the book. Thank you for bringing it to my attention!Page 231 of _Dress Accessories_ states 'Attachment was presumably effected by passing one end of a strap through the narrower end of the aperture below the projections, leaving the wider top part for the other end of the strap. The omission of a central part to the bar may have been a way of catering for a strap with mounts at the centre.' Mark, I am going to need about four of these, page 13 shows styles by Ceramic Phase. Have you any like them? -------------------- Woodcrafter
14th c. Woodworking
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Dave Key
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posted 05-10-2004 06:49 PM
I've looked at the MoL text and have to say I think they are guessing!There is a fairly simple way of interpreting this. It's a buckle plain and simple. The shorter/narrower edge holds the strap and pin. The MoL doc appears to confirm this from wear patterns. The slightly wider edge is where the tip of the pin sits (hence the fattening at this point in several of the MoL examples). So why the lugs ... since these are not central but biased towards the 'strap' edge then I would suggest that they are simply retainers to stop the strap sliding around the edge of the buckle. With soft/poor quality leather this can happen fairly easily ... the pin becomes misaligned and either breaks or fails to hold correctly. Just a thought. Cheers
Dave
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Doug Strong
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posted 08-17-2004 01:39 PM
I have owned dozens of these through the years. None I have ever owned or seen has ever had a tongue. None show any wear in the tongue area. They are definately not buckles as we typically define them. I think a strap keeper is the best interpretation. They serve this function well. However, we'll not know for certain until we find one mounted on the leather.-------------------- Doug Strong
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