1) Ordinance list for the Spring 1471 Burgundian Campaign in England. I really want to know what Charles was providing in the way of food rations. It would also be useful to know what housing was provided for the troops.

2) Ordinance lists for any of the Burgundian campaigns in England 1467-72, so I can compare them with the above.

3) References to "grey" being associated with the lower classes, or considered a lower class color. I heard this as a statement of fact, and I'd like to see some primary sources to back up the statement.

I'm willing to do the digging or anything else required beyond reading if you can help.

Thanks!

4) Any new information on the Herjolfsnes stuff. Where do the remains reside now? Has there been any further study of the artifacts? Any new takes on the material? I'd just about kill for some more scholarly material on this dig.

5) To locate a copy of the entire book "Buried Norsemen at Herjolfsnes". I have a photocopy of chapter VI (Costumes), the "list of finds" and the "position of finds in relation to each other" tables, but I'd love to see the whole thing, or to own a copy.

Actually, I have an all-consuming and I suppose almost morbid fascination with dead people and what they were wearing at the time of their demise/interment, so almost anything to do with the subject is of interest to me.

Thanks for the grey info. My take is that the bishop is saying that peasants should be wearing undyed clothes, since black. grey and brown sheep were at least as common as white sheep. It's probably a vanity/humility/social class thing. And 7 ells of cloth isn't a lot, considering the current styles. Very Interesting!

How about something from Chaucer? My source said there was somewthing in Chaucer....

FYI, I've been working on an article about the use of color in reenactment. I'll be happy to list you in my biblio...

And a note on the use of blue dye - there is a discussion in _Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince_ about blue colored fabric being given to the poor because it was cheap, and about a decline in the cost of blue dye in the later medieval period (14-15th c's?). Has anyone seen any other documentation of this nature?

And my wish list includes:

the use (or non-use) of colored thread for sewing (like hems and stuff)

hooks and eyes (still looking for this!). I'd really like some archaeological finds of these.

If they republish that book, I want the first copy you get. I'll pay anything- you can have my house, my car, my bills, my husband- anything, you just name it.

All the clothes at Herjolfsnes are recorded as naturally colored brown warp / black weft (or maybe the other way around).

However, the original research was done in 1924 when they didn't have all the techno-tools at their disposal, so I'm completely open to and dying for new information.

The facts from one site do not speak for all places and all times, so I could be wrong in my take on the Bishop's injunction.

I'll check my Shire archaeology book and doublecheck my facts about colors when I get to the shop.

Unfortunately, you will never find an official ordinance for the Burgundian troops loaned to Edward IV for the 1471 campaign, as they were loaned on the QT, through the guise of Louis de Gruthuyse - never an official Burgundian expedition.

However, this may help a good deal, We should have in hand over the course of the next few days "Le Armeé de le Duc de Bourgogne 1465-68", which contains a pile of documentation about the armies under Philipe le Bon, under the CONTROL of Charles - Charles acted as regent in fact throughout this period. A lot of useful information should be contained therein, and between a scanner, a French translator program (crappy way to rough it out - but fast), Jenn's knowledge of French, my knowledge of the French of the military trade of the day to cover the technical terms, and a couple of good dictionaries, we should be able to pump out useful information in short order.

Hope that helps make your day a little.

**happy dance, happy dance, happy dance**

This is turning out to be a MUCH better day than yesterday!

me too! me too! well, I dont have a husband you can have, but I'll take some neat pictures at the Cluny for you? oh wait, I was giong to do that anyway.

just order me one, will ya? or tell me the details so I can order my own?????
--AM

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OHMYGOD!!!!!! Mark, you nearly gave me a heart attack and made my day all at the same time.

If they republish that book, I want the first copy you get. I'll pay anything- you can have my house, my car, my bills, my husband- anything, you just name it.

Gwen

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Heyyyyyyyyyyyy........wait a minute..........well, okay, he can have the bills.........

Craft Industry and Everyday Life: Wood and Woodworkingin Anglo-Scandinavian and Medieval Yorkby Carole A Morris
The latest fascicule from the York Archaeological Trust presents over 1,500 woodenobjects and woodworking implements recovered from excavations around Coppergate. Roman and non-Roman material was recovered, but the majority of items came from tenement plots dating from the 9th to 15th centuries. The hugevariety of objects, grouped by type, mainly comprise small portable, domestic andutilitarian artefacts and the waste production from manufacture, but also include wooden building accessories, such as shingles, and items reworked from ship timbers. Possibly the most significant group of objects is the small spindle-turned cups and their associated waste production, published here in great detail. Each find is catalogued along with details about the practical use of the object and the nature of the wood itself. Reference is made to material from the only other comparable site, Viking Dublin, and from other sites in Britain and northern Europe. 393p, many figs and pls (Archaeology of York: The Small Finds 17/13, CBA 2000) ISBN 1902771109.

Craft Industry and Everyday Life: Finds from Anglo-Scandinavian York by A J Mainman and N S H Rogers

The latest fascicule of finds from excavations at York examines artefacts made from a number of materials, such as stone, jet, amber, glass, fired clay and non-ferrous metalwork. There is some overlap with earlier fascicules, especially with textile tools, but this volume presents old and new material thematically and includes discussions of new crafts, such as the manufacture of personal ornaments. The first half of the book presents evidence for crafts and industries in the area of Coppergate while the second considers how the products from these industries were used in everyday life, as household fittings, dress accessories, jewellery and objects used for work and play. Reference is made to comparable objects found elsewhere in Britain and Europe. The attractively presented reports are illustrated with many drawings and distribution plans and the volume ends with a lengthy catalogue. 238p, 114 b/w figs and col pls, 42 tbs (York Archaeological Trust/CBA 17/4, 2000) ISBN 1902771117. Paperback available.

I have another, more specific, request:

CIBA Review
Published in Basle, Switzerland by CIBA Limited

Each volume appears to have an article pertainiong to fabrics/clothing. I have #122, Volume II on "The Shirt". I also have a copy of "Stockings".

I would love a better copy of both of these- the ones I have were put down on the photocopier poorly and a strip of the text is obscured on each page.

If there is a listing of other titles in the series, I'd like to see it and possibly obtain copies.

Did you ever send out the article on reenacting from that historical journal?

Thanks!

It was my understanding that the remaining remains (many were "lost" since Norlund's time) were reexamined and the results were going to be republished last spring. There has been no word since then, and John van Hassel of Windrose Armoury / King's Keep was trying to arrange a private republication of Norlund.

I'll email him and see what's happening.

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CIBA Review
Published in Basle, Switzerland by CIBA Limited

Each volume appears to have an article pertainiong to fabrics/clothing. I have #122, Volume II on "The Shirt". I also have a copy of "Stockings".

I would love a better copy of both of these- the ones I have were put down on the photocopier poorly and a strip of the text is obscured on each page.

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The CIBA Reviews are especially hard to find in libraries as they are about such varied subjects that they are catalogued seperately. However, there is a very nice book dealer in Philidelphia that has many of them for sale and a good listing of them. Her webpage is:
http://www.myrnabloom.com/ciba.htm

First be wary of assuming that grey means grey! From memory he classic Grey cloth made in mid C15th England came from East Anglia ... argh my memory is failing ... Colchester (not Chelmsford as I put at first ... wrong Garrison town) I think ... and was called Musterdevilliers (sp). his is actually what we might term a Blue cloth as it is produced by dying with a weak woad dye bath. So Grey is actually a poor quality blue (although Musterdeviliers is actually quite a god quality cloth just to be contrary.

As to association with the poor ... this is from my article on Cloth for the White Comapny & Comapnie of St Geroge

Scottish Act of Parliament of 1457 stated that "no labourers nor husbands [in this context an agricultural labourer] wear on the work day but grey and white and on the holy day but light blue or green or red...".

Sorry haven't much time but if you want more on this I can start looking it up again.

Also there is likely to be ALOT of new info on cloth and medieval English clothing coming out next year ... I'm chasing a sneak preview at the moment.

Cheers
Dave