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chef de chambre
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posted 09-28-2003 09:30 AM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi All,

We are (not yet officially - I just spoke to the Landowner for the first time) holding an event in Hardwick, Mass, toward the end of May - final date yet to be determined. This is not far from Deerfield, for those of you with a bent toward F&I War studies.

To drag you English into the 1470's, tentatively the scenario is the withdrawal of Edward IV contingents from France, after the massive payoff of Louis XI. The English army during it's withdrawal - through Burgundian territory - inflamed the local populace with a fair ammount of looting. The contingents were then attacked by the local Burgundian garrisons, with varying degrees of success or failure, leading to further recriminations between Charles the Bold and Edward IV.

The scenario is open to discussion, I suggest along the same lines of communication that we discussed Michaelmas. There will be scenarios with interaction between contingents (the attempted negotiation of the return of loot/surrender/peacful withdrawal of the English, with accusations brought forward by civilian members of the local population for starters), as well as a 'feast' to attempt to repair amicable relations between erstwhile allies.

The event will become official by Mid-November, after firther discussion with the landowners.

Horses are welcome (limited numbers - if 20 horses showed up, we might have a problem)

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posted 09-28-2003 05:03 PM     Profile for Bob Davis   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Brilliant! Wonderful! Makes me wish I had a horse! Thanks for carrying this through, Bob. It's going to be quite a Spring.

I know you said "end of May", but I want to be sure wires don't get crossed and we end up conflicting with the Kalamazoo Medieval Congress on 6-9 May 2004. Just FYI. I expect more than just me will be attending.

Kass


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posted 09-28-2003 05:37 PM     Profile for Reisläufer     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Are the Suisse to wear party per pale argent with a cross saltire gules?

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chef de chambre
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posted 09-28-2003 07:11 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Kass & Jason,

Yes, toward the end of May (whichever weekend Cullodon 2004 does not fall on).

As we have more English than anything else, and the next largest number is Burgundians, I was trying to come up with a scenario that caters to both. The limited numbers we have make anything outside of minor skirmishing impossible, and the 1471 Arrival campaign is short and brutal, with large numbers. This is the best Scenario I could think of, that enables small detatchments to engage realistically. And yes, it is based on actual events after Edwards payoff by Louis, and his falling out with Charles - while the main body of the English army was never attacked, detatchments of forgagers and looters were set upon and killed by locals and Burgundian garrisons (or results visa-versa). Besides, mercenaries from the confederation fought as members of the Burgundian army until just before the battle of Nancy.

If we get to use the mountainside acerage near Wolfeboro N.H. in upcoming years, the terrain would lend itself to the Swiss campaign - if you can supply the Swiss, I might be able to supply the mountain -right next to a lake in fact, a big enough one to float a minsweeper.

This site in Mass though allegedly has a castle, although I have not seen it yet (it is owned by a stonemason with a passion for history) - I wouldn't worry about it looking odd, he is particular as to his guests, and only the better F&I individual reenacors get to play on it - the first assurance we had to give was that we weren't the SCA.

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posted 09-28-2003 08:30 PM     Profile for Reisläufer     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
No worries Chef, my pike is yours!

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posted 09-29-2003 08:31 AM     Profile for Jeff Johnson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Elferschlagener:
No worries Chef, my pike is yours!

Ummm... Ok...

Ahem! Sounds like a do-able event. Gads, the drive, though.

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Geoffrey Bourrette
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Fire Stryker
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posted 09-29-2003 08:46 AM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Aw come on Jeff... the drive?

I think the lads have driven to MD in the past, surely you can make it up New England way... at least once a year. It's not like driving to Canada or coastal Massachusetts.

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chef de chambre
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posted 09-29-2003 08:47 AM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Worse for Jason than You Jeff!

Hardwick is actually a pretty quick ride for New England - It will be almost 2 hours for me from Nashua, and it took us 7 1/2 to get to Penn - were we not lugging a trailer in the old Suburban, that would have been a six hour drive - so about 4 from that site. The Pennsy and Jersey folks will have it the easiest outside of us natives.

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posted 09-29-2003 10:05 PM     Profile for Friedrich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by chef de chambre:
and it took us 7 1/2 to get to Penn ...

Via a scenic route!

Hey, it got us there without incident and I just rolled 201K this morning!

Peter


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posted 09-30-2003 02:43 AM     Profile for LHF   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
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Gads, the drive, though.

and how far away is south FL, Jeff? hmmmm let me see if i take a left at Albe.... no nevermind.

when in may? classes let out in early may for me. also if any of you southies driving up let me know. i may want to hitch a ride with y'all.

daniel

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posted 09-30-2003 08:34 AM     Profile for Jeff Johnson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LHF:
i may want to hitch a ride with y'all.

Same answer as the Met trip question. Send me an E-mail & we'll work details.

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Geoffrey Bourrette
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Wolf
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posted 09-30-2003 11:36 AM     Profile for Wolf   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
hmmmm. we could always charter a large van or something. whos got minivans????? i'd volunteer to drive, np. that is if the wife lets me go hehehe

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chef de chambre
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posted 02-20-2004 06:27 AM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
This event is a go! We have a green light. I will write later with detals.

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Bob R.


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posted 02-20-2004 10:03 AM     Profile for Wolf   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
schweet!!!!!!!!!!

btw, how many memebrs you got up there chef? are we gonna have a huge gathering again?( hopeing!!)

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posted 02-20-2004 12:27 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Heya Wolf,

We are getting feedback from WA members now. We are hoping for a better turn-out from our own membership this go around, but I won't speak for them.

So far, we've had one member indicate that he won't be present as he will honeymooning in Europe.

The gentleman that owns the site has been re-enacting for at least 30 years, so he knows what it's all about. He is also the Constable, a selectman for the town, and is on the town fire department. When he heard about the potential for a cannon, he offered to pull a permit for us. He was very enthusiastic about it.

Any body want to bake bread? The site boasts one (of 4 in the US and Canada) authentically crafted beehive ovens that we've been given permission to use. Erik says he's cooked a mean pizza in it amongst other things.

Chef went out to view the site Thursday afternoon. So he can fill everybody on the particulars. Probably the first weekend in May, we will go up and take some pictures and post them. The cleared land has trees on the perimeter and it is my understanding that modern items are not within eyeshot.

All in all, it should be a fun experience.

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posted 02-23-2004 12:06 PM     Profile for kass   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Wooo HOOOOO! I am so psyched for this event, I can't tell you.

Hey Jenn, Bob will probably kill or die to use that oven. He bakes bread using malted barley and ale yeast. Go figure...

Kass


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posted 02-23-2004 12:45 PM     Profile for Friedrich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Natural english brown ale makes a great starter too!
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posted 02-23-2004 01:46 PM     Profile for Flonzy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Count me in! I checked the distance and it's only 7 or so hours from DC, no biggy. The 13 hours I did to FL last year was a bear, this will be a breeze

James

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Fire Stryker
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posted 02-23-2004 01:50 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Has anyone posted on the 15th century list?

I've not had a chance, so if someone wants to do the honors and post it there with a link to the actual Event Forum:
http://www.wolfeargent.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=30&t=000001

That'd be cool.

Jenn

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posted 02-23-2004 02:31 PM     Profile for Hugo     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Sorry to hijack the thread, but I would like to know how to register to this other 15th century list. Can someone tell me where it is?

Thanks and sorry again...

Hugo


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posted 02-23-2004 04:14 PM     Profile for Flonzy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Jenn

I posted it to the 15th c yahoo list. Grey's already has the info

James

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posted 02-23-2004 06:54 PM     Profile for Friedrich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hugo:
Can someone tell me where it is?

Info sent privately. Hijacking averted...

[ 02-23-2004: Message edited by: Friedrich ]


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quote:
Originally posted by Friedrich:
Natural english brown ale makes a great starter too!

Since he only brews with imported English barley and ale yeast, I guess it's about the same thing. It's yummy bread...

Kass


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posted 02-25-2004 05:41 PM     Profile for tim seasholtz   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I took the time off for a nice long weekend! This event will be awesome!!!! I should have the new brig by then.
Tanc

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This one looks like fun but y'all are just too far away. I'd love to play part of the complianing populace!

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