ok got a memebr of our group looking at the sallet listed above. does anyone ahve a period source, painting, photo in a museam of the real thing? i need the dates and the area the helm would have been worn in.

i cant seem to find it in my stuff off hand, but i know i have seen the helmet

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could you post pictures Wolf, please?

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i believe this is what the helm in question is "based on" i have a reference in charles ashdown for it being "late 15thc" and one in European Helmets 1450-1650 that has a coventry top with the brow and tail like the others thats dated late 15thc.

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i too have handeled the MRL helmet and i agree with Ron. the profile is close to what may have inspired the helmet. however, straight on it is way too wide, plus the actual helmet body is just wrong... i came acros additional photos of it somewhere. if i find them i'll post the link.

seperate question though. the example you listed from glasgow, did it originally have a bellows visor on it? or did it have the another type? this question has been bugging me a bit.

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The thing that's wrong with the overall shape of the sallet mentioned here is just too shallow in the bowl.

I've seen one very much like it (without the lames, I think) on a guy doing a sword-fighting demo, and it leaves a lot of the forehead exposed -- great target!

There seem to be several sources in the Czech Rep. that turn out more accurate models for not-a-lot-of-money. Some good ones in Australia and NZ, too, if you look aound.

The MRL one also looks like it's made out of aluminum. "Looks like".

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Originally posted by LHF:
how about the one the guy in this pic is wearing?
http://www.gste.org/andypublish.jpg

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not sure on teh helmet, need to look over some stuff first

i didnt know there was a 15thc group in florida. is there any more pics? their web site doenst have links to the events they say they have pics for.

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What Dan has done, if that is one of these examples duded up, is a very credible and believable helmet.

All 15th century armour is not pretty, I can assure you, and we spend a lot of time as reenactors looking at upper end things, and sometimes are less familiar with munitions pieces, and translate better things as being more common than they were.

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You do very good work with stuff nobody else would even consider using. They have just put on display one of these hats from Rhodes in the permanent display at the Hggins, and it probably looked a heck of a lot like what you have done here, when it was in use. Only (minor) difference is the tail lame is blunter, or more compact, while yours draws more to a point, and it is impossible to tell it's original finish (black being as likely as anything else.

Actually, the pointed bowl example someone earlier referenced is thought to date between 1460-the mid 1470's, I would comfortable place these sorts of hats into the timeframe of the Swiss-Burgundian wars. A hat a lot more commonly worn by infantrymen than is commonly seen in reenactment circles. I think you did a great job.

[ 03-07-2005: Message edited by: chef de chambre ]

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