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smegger
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posted 02-05-2005 02:26 AM

Hello,
Can anybody help me with a problemm i have? There is a particular visor im interested and need more information on it . I first saw it in a book called Medieval Costume, Armour, and Weapons by Eduard Wagner, Zoroslava Drobna and Jan Durdik, it is a weird looking visor sort of looks like an insect. it has a long snout coming coming straight down to the chest(sorry i cant give you a sample picture). Its from the early 14th century. If anybody can help, a proper picture and any history information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
smegger

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Ron M
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posted 02-05-2005 06:54 PM

Would you be referring to the outfits that were worn during the Black Plague?I've heard of outfits made from leather, with a headcovering that had red lenses for the eyes, and a long cone-shaped snout that possibly contained herbs or flowers to prevent the wearer from becoming ill.Any chance of posting a pic?

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Ron Moen

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Erik Schmidt
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posted 02-05-2005 07:17 PM

I know the book you're talking about, but I don't recall which proboscis-like visor is illustrated there.

Elongated visors seem to have been used in the early 14th century and there is at least one illustration somewhere based on what it was thought they looked like. There is also what is most likely a fake somewhere, pictured in a German or Italian catalogue if I recall correctly.
A good period view of one can be seen worn by the figure of Lord Stafford at the side column of the brass effigy of Hugh Hastings.

Another form of elongate visor turns up in the Churburg catalogue attached to the barbute of a 15th century suit.

Erik

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smegger
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posted 02-07-2005 02:26 AM

hi,
Ron and Erik firstly thank you for your reply.to answer ron first yes it is a helmet visor made of steele , im sorry im still a newbie and dont know how to post the picture i have on my computer.
As for the picture in the book it is plate 15 part 111. Ive also seen the same helmet and visor in THE AGE OF CHIVALRY PART 1 by LILIANE and FRED FUNCKEN . Both books make references to a VIOLLET-LE-DUC as researcher.Unfortunately they tell very little of the visor. So still searching for more info.

thanks

smegger

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Erik Schmidt
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posted 02-08-2005 05:19 AM

Is this the visor?

]http://home.armourarchive.org/members/erik/Visor_klapp_Stippert.jpg]

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smegger
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posted 02-08-2005 06:49 AM

hi,
That is so close to the one im talking about.where did you get the picture? the only difference is the one ive seen (and this is only someones interpratation) is that it tapers to a snout at the bottom. If i can explain it maybe like this in the movie THE FIFTH ELEMENT the Mondoshawans aliens at the start of the movie look very similar.

thanks again
smegger

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Erik Schmidt
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posted 02-08-2005 07:26 PM

The photo is from;
Aroldi, Aldo Mario (1961) Armi e armature italiane fino al 18. secolo. Milano: Bramante editrice.

Viollet-Le-Duc is not a very reliable source, so if that's the only source they give for it, then it may well be a fake or a "fantacy-a-la-Duc".

If you would like me to post the picture, just e-mail me a copy. I'd love to take a look at it anyway.

Erik

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smegger
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posted 02-08-2005 08:53 PM

hey Erik,
Ive tried to send you a picture but it keeps getting blocked and not going through?

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Erik Schmidt
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posted 02-09-2005 02:13 AM

I don't understand why you should be getting blocked. Try sending me a mail without the photo attached.

Erik

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smegger
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posted 02-09-2005 05:54 AM

hey,
got an email from my service provider saying : Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable. Ive tried from a few address. my other mail is going through fine. so its probably hotmail.let me know when its fine to send and i'll send the picture cheers.

smegger

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Erik Schmidt
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posted 02-09-2005 06:16 PM

Any time. Have you tried sending one without a photo? If that will go through, I can put your address on the safe list and then there should be no problems sending one with attachment.

I don't know what else I can do.

Erik

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Erik Schmidt
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posted 02-15-2005 07:28 PM

OK, we have the picture.

Proboscis visor

I don't think that one actually exists and I really can't see what it might be based on. I don't recall seeing anything with such a large snout in artwork. But given it is attributed to Viollet-le-Duc, it may well be from French artwork, something I haven't looked at much.

Erik

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