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Jancemeijer von Magnus
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posted 12-07-2004 02:03 PM     Profile for Jancemeijer von Magnus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey everyone,

Are Hanwai swords any good? Ive got a guy willing to give me a hell of a deal on a pre-order, but I dont know anything about Hanwai.

Also: Windlass Steelcrafts has some decent looking stuff. Are they pretty good too?

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posted 12-07-2004 10:17 PM     Profile for gaukler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It depends on which sword, and what you are planning to do with it. There are different requirements for a wallhanger, cutting, or combat sword.
I'd do some searches at http://swordforum.com/ for the manufacturers and for the individual swords.
mark

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Jancemeijer von Magnus
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posted 12-07-2004 10:27 PM     Profile for Jancemeijer von Magnus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
cool mark thanks for the link.

Im going for reenacting with the sword. Theyve got a brand spanking new hand & a half coming out with my name on it!

Looking to see it on the field,

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Edric
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posted 12-08-2004 10:09 AM     Profile for Edric     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have one of their practical hand and a half swords. Well, I sort of have one.

I got it a few months ago and it has been out for some work. I am having a sword belt made for it.

What little chance I had to play with it it seemed to be worth the $100 I paid for it. The new version doesn't have the Habsburg crest on the pommel which is a plus for reenacting purposes since it makes the sword look more generic.

The sword seems to be put together well overall. The tang is piened over the pommel instead of the pommel screwing to the tang.
The weight and balance seem very good.
The temper on the blade is pretty good as well.
I cannot comment on how it holds up to sparring since I have not had the chance to spar with it.

All in all it seems to be worth the price. At the least it should work well as a costume piece and for personal workouts. It might work well for WMA but haven't had the chance to test the durability yet.


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Jancemeijer von Magnus
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posted 12-09-2004 02:09 PM     Profile for Jancemeijer von Magnus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
How about "Patina"?

I like the Grayness of the blade and guard/pommel with the patina finish, but I dont know what Patina is! I am afraid that it is some sort of corrosive acid; and wouldnt that make the blade bitter or weaken it? Not to mention I am afraid it might cause pitting on the balde too, another no-no for reenacting.

What is Patina?

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posted 01-09-2005 12:40 PM     Profile for Arik     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
A patina is the natural order of things metalic. Almost all metals will over time oxidize naturaly. Thats why some of the really old swords are so dark. Its nothing to worry about on a new made blade. It doesnt weaken the blade unless its way overdone. There would be pits and holes in the metal. Most of the time its done to get rid of the "New shiny" and make the sword appear in character.

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Jeff Johnson
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posted 01-10-2005 01:11 PM     Profile for Jeff Johnson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
For reenacting? I wouldn't use windlass or hanwei. They don't usually have the much in the way of a combination of durability of historical configuration. Del Tin or Lutel are the brands I'd recomend for most reenacting use.

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Jancemeijer von Magnus
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posted 01-10-2005 08:07 PM     Profile for Jancemeijer von Magnus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Understandable, thank you both.

Thanks,

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Edric
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posted 01-11-2005 10:57 AM     Profile for Edric     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The is the sword in question from Therion Arms website:
http://www.therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c389.html

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Jancemeijer von Magnus
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posted 01-11-2005 02:55 PM     Profile for Jancemeijer von Magnus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Actually Edric, that is not the sword in question.

Hi Brent,
I posted a similar question at the sword forums and got a pretty positive response. My seriousness of coarse holds no limitations, but my budget highly does. I asked lutel about a couple, but where they advertised around $300 including sword belt and scabbard on their website, the final price jumped to well over $500 after speaking with a lutel representative.

There are only a couple events a year I can make it to, so I am not worried about over use of the Hanwei. When my expenses arent so stretched, as in I am not trying to afford camping equipment, armour, arms, etc etc all at once I will get a higher-end product.

Thanks!

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Edric
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posted 01-12-2005 01:30 PM     Profile for Edric     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Oh? Which one were you talking about then?
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Jancemeijer von Magnus
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posted 01-12-2005 03:46 PM     Profile for Jancemeijer von Magnus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I dont know if any pictures are on-line yet. He just sent me the picture out of his catalogue. Its pre-ordering in Febuary.

I wish I did have a pictures, so I could show you

Sorry,

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posted 01-19-2005 02:49 PM     Profile for Jeff Johnson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Jonathan Waller - Guild Founder Member, Senior Teacher and Guild Secretary
The European Historical Combat Guild

Posting on the Hanwei William Marshall sword:
http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=2848

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I used a number of these swords a while ago teaching a seminar in Germany. I think there were about 6 of these swords at the event, that someone had been given to field test. The results were not good, 0ver the weekend 3 or 4 broke! This giav us a chance to examin them in more detail. They had all broken at the join between the tang and blade, the reason being that the fuller had been ground all the way up in to the tang, at least 7-10 mm on the ones that broke. Obviously this serious reduced the strength, hence the breaks.

We could also look att he pommels which were, as the cross, chromed. The pommels were hollow, hence the funny feel of balance. This was somewhat corrected by the deep fuller that reduced the weight, but I would say that there was only 1 or 2 mm of metal left in the middle of the fuller. The pommel also had a recessed nut at the top, ie. unreachable, and therefore no good for retightening the sword once it got loose, which tthey did quite quickly, due to the soft wood grips.

The proportions of the sword were not great, but usable for a cheap starter training sword, if the appropriate correction were made.

Basically it struck me as a sword that had been made by someone who hand not really examined the contruction of a sword fot he type they were copying, or they didn't really care. Though just from business sense I suspect the former.

Withsoem changes in design the sword would be ok to use as a cheap option for basic training. But I don't know, if these changes have been, looking att he pictures, I can see that some have not.


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Jancemeijer von Magnus
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posted 01-19-2005 03:02 PM     Profile for Jancemeijer von Magnus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I guess it is a real hit or miss!!! Not something I specifically wish to gamble with.

Has anyone handles an "Eagle Sword" out of Czecheslovakia? They are warranteed.

And any thoughts on Windlass Steelcrafts?

Thanks folks,

[ 01-19-2005: Message edited by: Jancemeijer Magnus Fulkim ]

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damien
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posted 02-15-2005 11:48 PM     Profile for damien     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I picked up a Hanwei Viking sword a couple of years ago in the UK as it was the best sword{other than Del Tins} that I saw anywhere in my travels. Since then I have trained with it regularly as it has become one of my favourite swords and have loaned it out top many of my pupils. To qualify this I have swords by several swordsmiths including several del tin blades I find that the Hanwei Viking sword it is beautifully balanced, easy to control and has a superbly tempered blade. Bad points: plated hilt, needs final sanding prior to polishing and point is still a bit sharp. I am getting a couple more to re-hilt into other type X swords.
I have fought once with the practical single hand and it left a favourable impression though I would probably look at replacing the short cross with a longer one and the wheel pommel looked a bit flat. Though these are matters of personal taste.
As for the Deepeeka blades I have great reservations as to how their medieval blades hold up in combat as their earlier stuff was very soft and had weak tangs and they are often unrealistically heavy. I have been informed that they have changed the design but I suggest that you pick one up and examine it before you buy.
Damien

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