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Louie deStefano
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posted 09-30-2003 08:12 PM

Does any one know where and when banded plate armour was used around the 13th century? what type of closures were used? how was it held together?
Also, I was wondering if any one knows when double sword styles came into existence and what types of swords were used?

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chef de chambre
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posted 10-01-2003 07:41 AM

Hi Louis,

I cant think of any armour matching this description in Western Europe from the dissapearance of Lorica Segmenta from the Roman Army in the 3rd century AD, until the introduction of 'Anime' armour in Italy and Centeral Europe in the mid 16th century.

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Bob R.

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Louie deStefano
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posted 10-01-2003 09:11 PM

I have a book of 19th century illustrations of armor and there is a drawing of 14th century banded plate from france or england. it is worn with chainmail and a open face helm. the chest bands are buckled on the sides.
I am thinking about replacating this armour for my use and I was wondering if any one had any more info on this style as I don't know how the plates were held together, or if this armour was even ever used.

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Ron M
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posted 10-01-2003 09:41 PM

I'd be a little careful when dealing with 19th Century renderings of armour, unless it was an illustration of a specific piece from a museum collection.Can you post a photo of the armour in question?

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Ron Moen

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Louie deStefano
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posted 10-01-2003 09:43 PM

I checked again and the helm in the drawing is an open-face bascinet. I don't know if this changes any thing but I just wanted to let you all know.

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Louie deStefano
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posted 10-01-2003 10:28 PM

I am new to this, can I post a photo straght off my computer? How?

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Louie deStefano
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posted 10-02-2003 12:20 AM

The picture is from a book titledArms & Armor from Dover publications. I know that you have to take this kind of thing with a grain of salt, so I hope this picture loads.

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Louie deStefano
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posted 10-02-2003 12:32 AM

let's try it again...

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Glen K
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posted 10-02-2003 02:09 AM

Louie,

That picture is an Victorian-era idealized (and undocumentable) version of a medieval soldier. Basically, you've stumbled on a bad source, sorry.

For an excellent overview of arms and armour from the medieval era I suggest "Arms and Armour of the Medieval Knight" by David Edge and Miles Paddock.

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Louie deStefano
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posted 10-02-2003 10:26 AM

Thanks chef de chambre, Ron M, and Glen K.
I am definitely going to check that out.
By the way, those pictures don't work on my computer and I have no idea why.

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Glen K
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posted 10-02-2003 05:45 PM

No problem, Louie! I really don't mean to sound like I'm naysaying everything you post... if you've got any questions about stuff feel free to post it here or email me privately.

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Flonzy
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posted 10-03-2003 02:09 PM

Louie

I thought I would throw up an answer for your other question. Double sword styles were used with rapiers starting in the 16th century. There has been no evidence of a double broadsword style presented as far as I have seen.

James

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James Barker
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Lachlan Yeates
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posted 10-08-2003 01:01 AM

There is limited pictorial evidence for eastern European banded armours, usually dating from the 9-12th C, however many armour acholars have said they are either a lazy way of depicting lammelar, or lammelar covered in leather.

Nothing in Western Europe in the scope of this list however.

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Louie deStefano
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posted 10-08-2003 09:44 PM

what about Brigandines and the coat of plates?
why were they covered in fabric? why didn't the banded plate evolve? I have found it very easy to build.

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Lachlan Yeates
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posted 10-08-2003 11:26 PM

It does not have the flexability of mail or lammellar, and requires the technology to make good plate, somthing that also allows for good armour.

In short, it does not provide the protection of a plate harness or the flexability of mail. Even coats of plates were "articulated" on the cloth backing.

It had the advantage of fitting everyone well, as well as good protection and ease of construction, which makes it good for mass production- thus the Romans using it.

Later plate was the zone of the elite and was thus fitted, and later munitions stuff followed this form.

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