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Seigneur de Leon
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posted 07-12-2003 02:01 PM

I've recently acquired some 14th C. arms & legs of mild steel and I was wondering what is the most appropriate material for lining them is. In the past I've used prosythsis-grade calfskin, but have been told leather was too heavy, as well as unperiod. I have both heavy and light linen, heavy and light wool, elk, whitetail, bison, pigskin and, of course, cowhide. What would be the most appropriate?

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Otto von Teich
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posted 07-12-2003 02:13 PM

Good question. I'm not sure that armour was lined in that early period.I was thinking of adding thin strips of leather to the inside edges of my new harness. Bottom of demi-greaves,bottom of greaves, bottom of spaulders.Just to help prevent scratching on the rubbing plates,and reduce noise. I was thinking of gluing them on somehow,so they wouldnt be permanent and could be easily removed.As far as what they used in the 16th century,I've seen velvet and silk used together in contrasting colors....Otto

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NEIL G
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posted 07-14-2003 05:01 AM

There's a spanish reference to lining armour with leather so it doesn't rattle, can't remember exact citation, will try to check.

It's mentioned in Angelo's Martial arts of renaissance europe.

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Ulfgar
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posted 07-31-2003 09:23 PM

I seem to remember a description of painting the inside of armour plates with pitch. It is and excellent way to protect your armour from the rust caused by sweat. I suspect it would also be a good way to glue on other linings.

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Wolf
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posted 08-07-2003 05:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Ulfgar:
I seem to remember a description of painting the inside of armour plates with pitch. It is and excellent way to protect your armour from the rust caused by sweat. I suspect it would also be a good way to glue on other linings.

they sell a metal latex paint that does a good job for interiors

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Doug Strong
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posted 08-11-2003 01:42 PM

Some of the surviving elements of 14th cneutyr armour were certianly armour. Breastplate #T13 at Churburg retains its lining.

[ 08-11-2003: Message edited by: Talbot ]

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Seigneur de Leon
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posted 09-11-2003 09:20 AM

The only reference I've found so far is in Armies of the Middle Ages, Volume 1, page 107, French man-at-arms, c. 1415: "The chronicler Jean Lefevre wrote of Agincourt that 'the French were so laden with armor that they could not advance....' - "Another source tells us that an armour of this type bought by Charles, Duc d'Orleans, the same year was lined with satin and cost L83 7s 6d.

Now this is a Duc's armour. Mine is plain (having left off the brass trim so as not to make the uncommon appear common), but I do have silver-plated buckles, plaque belt and sword & dagger furniture. Would white satin be appropriate? Any comments?

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Woodcrafter
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posted 09-11-2003 12:59 PM

It is possible that what they were calling Satin is not what we now know of as Satin. Meanings change, so best to ask someone who does costuming. Satin would allow the armour free movement for sure. As for colour, you could refer to illustrations in manuscripts for ideas. White would be hard to keep clean. Dirty armour or clothing being a sign of a lack of servants and low social status. It would depend on what you are wishing to portray.

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