Knowles, R., 1985. "A defensive garment in the church at Rothwell, West Yorkshire". Journal of the Arms and Armour Society, 11 (5), 299-305.

It seems to be very difficult (impossible?) to find a copy for sale on the net. If, by chance, someone possessed it, an e-mail would be highly appreciated.

Gascoing

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The German libraries have a central order system that can be accessed here; http://z3950gw.dbf.ddb.de/

They are quite reasonably priced.

Would it be possible to arrange for a copy of the copy to be made?

Regards

I'd appreciate a copy.

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Its a short article regarding the only extant padded jack of late 15th or early 16th century manufacture in England. There are apparently some extant German defences, which the author was unaware of. These are 15th & 16th century as well.

Don't know how interestring it is to you - not really directly related to 14th century stuff.

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In essence it is a sleeved cloth armour. The outer layer is finer than the internals which are fairly rough wool in all probability and maybe stuffed but I honestly can't remember it was a few years ago I looked at it.

The outer appears to have been dyed.

The article discusses how it probably isn't John of Gaunt's padded armour as it has been traditionally called ... but probably a later medieval Jack. It's possible but without proper analysis be very wary.

Cheers

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Originally posted by Gascoing:
With Gwen's permission, I can make copies of my copy for those interested in it, when I'll have received it.

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Greetings

Jacks could take many forms ... of which the St Ursula casket shows two styles ... and be made in various ways. A mid-C15th Scottish Act of Parliament details differing construction according to the owners degree, the description of the Jacks worn by the Northern soldiers of Richard as described by Mancinni differ from those of a French Ordinance ... and the Houshold accounts of Sir John Howard list different types of Jack incl Scots and Welsh.

Could someone post where I could find that? I would like the verbiage and the original source please.

The language is a bit odd but reads easily enough after a few run throughs.

In essence you have ...

1. men with an income of £20pa or £100 in goods should be horsed and fully armoured.

2. Gentlemen with an income of £10pa or £50 (I read the text incorrectly it was an L not an I) in goods have a gorget, arm harness and gauntlets, breast plate and at least partial leg harness.

3. Yeomen with £20 in goods have a double de fense or habergeon, an iron hat, a bow & sheaf of arrows, sword buckler & knife.

4. Yeomen with £10 in goods have a bow and a sheaf of arrows, a sword, buckler and knife.

5. Yeomen who aren't archers have a good helmet & a doublet de fenses, with a sword, buckler ad a good axe or staff.

6. The equivilants for town officials compared to their gentlemen/yeomen counterparts is then listed.

Anyway ... see what you think. If you want a proper modern-English version I could probably run one up fairly quickly.

Cheers
Dave

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Acta Parliamentorum, Jacobi I
1429

11. Item, Be [th]e awy[ss] of the haill pliame[n]t it is statute and ordanit [th]at ilk man that may dispende yerly xx lib or at has jc lib in movabil gude[ss] that he be wele horsit & haill enarmyt as a ge[n]till ma[n] aucht to be. And v[th][er] sympillar of x lib of rent or 1 lib in gud[es] haif hat gorgeat or pesane with rerebrasar[es] vambrasar[es] & gluff[es] of plate brest plate pan[ss] & legsplent[es] at [th]e lest or bett[er] gif him lik[es].

12. Item, [Th]at ilk yeman [th]at is xx lib in gud[es] haif a gude doublat of fence or ane habergeon ane yrn hat with bow and schefe suerde buklar & knyfe. And all v[th][er] yemen of x lib in gudes haif bow and schefe suerde and buklar and knyff And [th]e yema[n] [th]at is nane archer[es] na can no[t] deyll with bow sall haif a gude sou[er] hat for his hede & a doublat of fence with suerde & buklar & a gude ax or ell[es] a brogit staff.

13. Item, it is statute and ordanit [th]at ilk baron within hym self sall se & ordane his men to be bodyn as is befor writtyn Ande gif he na dois [th][i]s betuix [th][i]s & m[er]tyme[ss] [th]e [sh]ref sal rai[ss] of ilk [y]ema[n] [th]an not bodyn as is forsaid a wedd[er] ande of ilk gentil man ij wedd[er]is sa [th]at [th]ai be warnit of xl dais warnig at the first tyme Ande at the nixt tyme of xv dais warnig of ilk yema[n] not bodyn ij wedd[er]is and of ilk gentilman iiij wedd[er]is Ande at the third tyme of xv dais warnig of [th]e yema[n] iij wedd[er]is & of [th]e gentilman a mart and sua furth fra xv days to xv days quhil [th]ai be anis lauchfully bodyn.

14. Item it is statute [th]at ilk burge[ss] hafand 1 lib in gud[es] salbe hail enarmyt as a gentil man aucht to be Ande at the yema[n] of lawer degre ande burge[ss] of xx lib be bodyn with sou[er] hate & doublat habergeone suerd buklar bow schefe & knyfe Ande at he [th]at is na bowman haf a gude ax or wapyis of fens as is forsaide Ande [th]e balyeis sal ray[ss] [th]e payn in [th]e burgh gif it be no[t] kepit as is forsaide [th]at is to say ok ilk harnest man iiij [ss] at [th]e first warnyng at [th]e secund warnyng viij [ss] ande at [th]e thrid tym[e] a mark and fa furth quhil he be wele enarmyt Ane of ilk yema[n] at [th]e first tym[e] ij [ss] at [th]e next tynm iiij [ss] at [th]e thrid tym[e] viij [ss] asnde sa furth quhil he be wele enarmyt