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Gascoing
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posted 04-15-2003 01:25 PM
   
Hi everybody, At the moment, I actively try to know if an authentic "chapel de Montauban"
exemplar survives today in a museum or collection. "Chapel de Montauban"
is to be understood here as the 14th or 15th c. kettle hat with two
slits, one for each eye, as drawn by Viollet-le-Duc, for an example (fig. 5 under "chapel"). I particulary look for a model dated circa 1390/1440.
I've been looking for it in quite an important amount of documents, asked a certain number of specialists, ever posted a thread on the Armour Archive, in vain. Most of the replies that I received only concerned post-1440 kettle-hats, most of them having only one slit for sight.
However, some persons gave clues to me: David Edge thinks that such a chapel could be in the collection of the Landesmuseum in Zurich, the Royal Armouries at Leeds, or the Jagdhof und
Rustkammer (Imperial Armoury) in Vienna. Jim Jackson believes that it can exist in the Armoury of the Castle of Churburg. From now on, I haven't find anything.
Well, if anyone knew of the existence of such a helmet, I'd be glad to be informed of it. A reference number, description, photo,... would be most welcome. From Périgord,
Gascoing -------------------- Authenticity is not a way to re-enact. It's a way of life
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Gascoing
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posted 04-16-2003 12:08 PM
Ulfgar, I've ever written to the Leeds Armoury, but no answer (yet?). Has anyone got the book you talk about? If the date attributed to it corresponds to the period I'm working on (1390/1440), a pic would be most welcome...
Thanks Erik, but the kettle-hat you talk about I ever know. Someone sent me a pic of it when I posted my thread on the Armour Archive. This is the type of eye-slits I talk about, but this helmet is a little bit too late.Gascoing -------------------- Authenticity is not a way to re-enact. It's a way of life
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Adhemar
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posted 04-17-2003 12:17 PM
I think you mean Gerry Embelton's 'Medieval Military Costume', yes? There is a helm like that on page 85, in a sort of dimaond pattern (with stars!) painted on it. The blurb on the side does not give any real information about the helm, unfortunatly.-------------------- Ta Adhemar Imagination was given to man to
compensate him for what he is not;
a sense of humor to console him
for what he is.
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Gascoing
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posted 04-17-2003 12:59 PM
The helmets from the DHM are effectively too late.
Erik, I'll try to contact Doug Strong.
There are also possibilities of it being located in Zurich or Vienna left.Gascoing -------------------- Authenticity is not a way to re-enact. It's a way of life
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Gascoing
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posted 04-17-2003 03:24 PM
Doug,
As an information, among the ones with a single eye-slit that you know, are there some dated c1390/c1440?Gascoing -------------------- Authenticity is not a way to re-enact. It's a way of life
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Peter Müller
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posted 04-22-2003 03:29 AM
Hi Gascoing, there are two more kettlehats in the Kaiserburg in Nürnberg- its a side- exhibition of the "Germanisches Nationalmuseum" (in fact, their main exhibition of armour). They are very close to those in Berlin, but I can´t remember the dating for sure- very likely they are past 1450, but perhaps you contact the GNM directly- the curator for arms and armour is Dr. Willers.Germanisches Nat.mus. Greetings Peter
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Gascoing
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posted 04-22-2003 06:24 AM
Thanks Peter.I just wrote an e-mail to Dr. Willers. I'll let you know. Greetings, Gascoing -------------------- Authenticity is not a way to re-enact. It's a way of life
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posted 04-23-2003 06:14 AM
Just received an answer from Leeds. It seems that the 'chapel de Montauban' that they have is not considered to be a genuine example, and does not have any vision slots in the brim.
Try again...Gascoing -------------------- Authenticity is not a way to re-enact. It's a way of life
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