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Flonzy
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posted 02-25-2003 04:18 PM     Profile for Flonzy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I was reading another posts on jacks and I was wondering about this: "The mounted archer must possess a horse worth not less than six francs, and should wear a visorless sallet, a gorget (I'd translate bevor or standard), a brigandine, or a sleeveless mail shirt under a ten layer jack...."

So you would wear the mail under the jack would you wear anything to pad the chain or just wear it over a shirt?

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Flonzy


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Jeff Johnson
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posted 02-26-2003 08:40 AM     Profile for Jeff Johnson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I've seen no evidence for something specialized worn under mail in the 15th Century. But it's near certainly more than just a shirt. I'm thinking it's assumed that the guy wears a doublet. You almost never see anyone in just a shirt, unless it's some beggar or allegorical painting where the shirted/naked person is getting abused or somesuch.

If you look at Schilling or Beachamp battle scenes, the pedestrians with brigs and maile (I presume full maile shirts under the brigs) have full-length, tight-fitting sleeves - consistant with some sort of doublet. It doesn't LOOK padded or anything special through the arms. It's quite possibly their daily-wear doublet. That your above quote DOESN'T mention a specialized piece of garb under the maile lends credence to the "nothing special" theory. Question is; did they, or do YOU want to get your good doublet "besmotred by your Habergeon"? Because as ya know, maile is dirty and stresses what's worn under it.

Conversely, in the (14th C.) Chaucer passage in the "Knight's Tale" I took the above quote from, the squire is wearing his stained gear while traveling, so while it IS dicussed as a specialized item, it is also being treated as daily wear.

Me, I'd wear a lightly-padded linen-covered arming doublet, and save my good wool doublet from the mess. (but I'm fussy)

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Wolf
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posted 02-26-2003 09:43 AM     Profile for Wolf   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
i was thinking arming doublet as well. i was reading "the dragon" by the St. George company and they have what they want worn under the jacks etc. might want to check that out James.

Chuck

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