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Alienor
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posted 10-21-2002 02:58 PM     Profile for Alienor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I just got a new 14th-century arm harness, with the lovely tulip-shaped vambraces, which I'm awfully excited about. Now I need to make a pourpoint so I can wear them.

Can somebody give me some guidance as to how arming points would be attached? The most obvious answer would be either sew on a length of cord to the appropriate location or pass it through two eyelets, but I'm not sure that would be sturdy enough. I'd rather forego the trial & error method if I can learn from someone else's experience. How did they do this in the 14th century, and for that matter, where to put the points?

Alienor =)


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Jeff Johnson
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posted 10-21-2002 03:40 PM     Profile for Jeff Johnson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I use round holes, spaced bout an inch apart.

Don't cut the holes -it'll make the area weak and the hole will fray. Take an awl and push it through the material then handsew using a buttonhole-style stitch through and around the hole.

Where to put the points depends on the harness's design. You'll probably have to resort to trial and error. However, the non-cut holes can be closed back up again.

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hauptmann
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posted 10-22-2002 12:35 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
JJ is dead on about not removing material when making the eyelets. Punching a hole will make one that's too big and weak. I've had them rip out when punched.

Another point...

It's always best to place the points a little higher than you think they should be. You can always loosen the point, but can't make the armour go higher than the eyelets.

It's also kosher to use more than one point for an arm harness, leg harness, etc. Mid 15th C. Milanese arms, for instance were sometimes suspended from two or even three points.


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Jeff Johnson
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posted 10-22-2002 07:14 PM     Profile for Jeff Johnson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yeah, higher is better. Figure the arming garment is going to stretch a bit from the weight anyways. And, if the point really is too high, you can just not tie it completely snug.

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David Meyer
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posted 10-22-2002 08:43 PM     Profile for David Meyer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hello - just another thought:

If a few of the points of attachment pull excessively on fabric, you may consider sewing a leather reinforce on the inside of the garment.

This is the next thing I need to do on my doublet. I took a break from the whole project after sewing about 180 holes for the lacing. It builds character, I suppose...

Also, John Vernier did a nice illustration for "Life in Chaucer's England" of a 14th C. man-of-arms in a Charles de Blois styled doublet, with attached arm defenses. It may be of some interest to you, though you could probably figure this out on your own as well.

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Konstantin the Red
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posted 11-25-2002 07:23 PM     Profile for Konstantin the Red   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by David Meyer:
If a few of the points of attachment pull excessively on fabric, you may consider sewing a leather reinforce on the inside of the garment.


Here's a likely-unprovable notion: attach the leather reinforce patch directly to the center of the point itself, to ride between the holes -- for convenience in laundering without deteriorating the leather. Pull the point and its leather out, clean these separately if needed, launder the pourpoint.

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D.W. Peters
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posted 12-28-2002 06:28 PM     Profile for D.W. Peters     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alienor:
I just got a new 14th-century arm harness, with the lovely tulip-shaped vambraces, which I'm awfully excited about. Now I need to make a pourpoint so I can wear them.

Can somebody give me some guidance as to how arming points would be attached? The most obvious answer would be either sew on a length of cord to the appropriate location or pass it through two eyelets, but I'm not sure that would be sturdy enough. I'd rather forego the trial & error method if I can learn from someone else's experience. How did they do this in the 14th century, and for that matter, where to put the points?

Alienor =)


Have you read Brian Price's book on 14th Century armour? He does cover arming points in some detail...


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