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Friedrich
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posted 02-13-2002 10:20 AM     Profile for Friedrich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Just received word that my new gauntlet's have started their long journey from CZ!

(Pictures courtesy of MJ Armoury)

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Jeff Johnson
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posted 02-13-2002 11:17 AM     Profile for Jeff Johnson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Very purty.

What are you dating them as? 1490's?

How do gloves attach? Suggest you sew that palm strap onto the glove or cut it to 2 half-inch bits sewn to the gloves. How does that thumb attach?

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Otto von Teich
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posted 02-13-2002 01:08 PM     Profile for Otto von Teich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Nice looking Friedrich,what is CZ? Czech rep? .....Otto
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Reinhard von Lowenhaupt
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posted 02-13-2002 02:20 PM     Profile for Reinhard von Lowenhaupt   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Freidrich, let me know how they work--it's the same pair I've been looking at.

Jeff Johnson said "What are you dating them as? 1490's?"

Actually, they're extremely similar to the gauntlets on Archduke Sigismund of Tyrol's harness made by Helmschmid of Augsburg in the 1480's (Kunsthistoriches Museum, also pictured in AAoMK). (minus the gilt work, obviously).

Otto, you've got it, CZ stands for Czech republic.

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Friedrich
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posted 02-13-2002 03:41 PM     Profile for Friedrich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Reinhard is correct. I would place it mid 1480's from the few references I have. In fact some dating of the ArchDuke's harness puts his harness at about 1480. And that is with significantly more fluting (plus guilding) than I have especially on my forearms.

However, I'm wondering if the beginnings of this style was actually later 1470's specifically in southern Germany at and south of the Danube River. Augsburg is on the edge of Swabia and Bavaria along the river. (My portrayal is Swabian.)

I ponder that the style of this would have been available or experimented with for a couple of years to get the technique so refined to be chosen for the ArchDuke.

As to the attachments and how it fits, they should arrive by the end of this month (Feb). But I admit I'm curious as to the thumb as well. I have a pair of leather gloves here that I can sacrifice if needed.


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Jeff Johnson
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posted 02-13-2002 05:19 PM     Profile for Jeff Johnson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Pinky, are you Pondering what I'm pondering?

Yes Brain,

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I ponder that the style of this would have been available or experimented with for a couple of years to get the technique so refined to be chosen for the ArchDuke.

More likely - the Archduke had cutting-edge armor technology from the finest craftsman available.

Are you planning to eventually get a set of the armor that'll go with this style of gauntlet.

Mr. Milanese Mono-Metacarpal here is jealous of the wrist mobility in that style gauntlet, but let's see you take a lance strike off the hand!

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chef de chambre
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posted 02-13-2002 08:12 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi All,

I reckon I've seen gauntlets of that form attirbuted to the 1470's.

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Friedrich
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posted 02-18-2002 10:03 PM     Profile for Friedrich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Johnson:
Mr. Milanese Mono-Metacarpal here is jealous of the wrist mobility in that style gauntlet, but let's see you take a lance strike off the hand!

Twang goes the bow string.
What makes you think your mount will get you that close??? And survive?

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jcesarelli
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posted 02-19-2002 10:40 AM     Profile for jcesarelli   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Johnson:

Mr. Milanese Mono-Metacarpal here is jealous of the wrist mobility in that style gauntlet, but let's see you take a lance strike off the hand! :)

Do you have photos of the gaunlets that you could post?

Joseph

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posted 02-19-2002 12:59 PM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Joe,

I made Jeff J's gauntlets. I'll see what pics I have that I can scan and post.


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Jeff Johnson
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posted 02-19-2002 02:54 PM     Profile for Jeff Johnson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Jeez, question a guy's supposition and he's ready to put a shaft into your mount! Good thing I don't have a horse.

Besides, you're not going to be shooting a bow wearing these gauntlets are ya?

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J.K. Vernier
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posted 02-20-2002 02:19 AM     Profile for J.K. Vernier   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jeff Johnson:
More likely - the Archduke had cutting-edge armor technology from the finest craftsman available.

As to that, the armorer who made Sigismund's armor was Lorenz Kolman (AKA Helmschmied), and based on his surviving corpus of work, he was the closest thing to a high-tech R&D armorer as ever existed, mostly funded by the Emperor Maximillian I. I can think of no other armorer whose work was so clearly a matter of deliberate innovation, both stylistic and functional.


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