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JimR
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posted 01-09-2002 06:51 AM     Profile for JimR     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I,ve been trying to find a pattern for an arming cap and i was wondering if a US ARMY issue cold weather helmet liner might make a pretty good starting pattern.
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Otto von Teich
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posted 01-09-2002 09:20 AM     Profile for Otto von Teich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey Jim, I dont know if its accurate or not, but I'm using a cold weather "hardhat" liner
for my pattern. Great minds think alike LOL.
I actually used mine yesterday for an arming cap and it did quite well. Took a number of blows to the head,and didnt get my skull cracked.The leather suspension liner really did a great job also. I guess thats why they still use them in hardhats and military helmets....Otto

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Otto von Teich
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posted 01-09-2002 12:26 PM     Profile for Otto von Teich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ive seen a few illustrations of 15th cent arming caps, they look quite a bit like stuffed berets, I think these were used for salades.Some early period caps,for use with barrel and great helms,look to be like coldweather liners with a ring or padded torse around the temple.Hope this might help a litle. I should have tried to answer the question a little better the first time around....Otto
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JimR
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posted 01-09-2002 01:25 PM     Profile for JimR     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks like i said it was just a thought, I'm pretty new at this and have just started attempting to build armour so I need all the help I can get.
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JimR
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posted 01-10-2002 08:52 AM     Profile for JimR     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Dug through some of my old issue equipment and found 3 helmet liners and a couple of field jacket liners which look to be likely candidates for arming coat patterns.
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chef de chambre
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posted 01-10-2002 11:37 AM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Jim,

What era armour are you trying to replicate? I ask because full 15th century harness requires a close fitting doublet, best cut in the fashion of a civilian doublet. Your feild jacket patterened one will want to bunch up on you under the armour, or will be too roomy to get it on in the first place.

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JimR
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posted 01-10-2002 11:42 AM     Profile for JimR     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
looking at early to mid. I was going to use this for a basic pattern with modification,some tailoring around the waist and collar and shorter ,tighter arms. am i getting close.
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chef de chambre
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posted 01-10-2002 12:59 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Jim,

It might work, but it might be a lot of touble to modify and then end up not working. I recommend to you going here http://www.companie-of-st-george.ch/index_1.phtml and bookmark the site. Go to "Dragons online", and download the stuff to your computer.

In the online dragons (which are chock full of usefull stuff, although some of the research is outdated), there is a pattern for a pourpoint to be worn under a jack, and a pattern for a jack - which would probably be more usefull. Make up the body for that out of a couple of layers of cloth on the outside and inside, with a little cotton batting in-between (in other words, much thinner), and add arming pointa at the appropriate palces. It would work, and be close in line to what you need. Thge diveregence is to add a little more padding over the shoulder, and while the sleeves can work, normal doublet sleeves lightly padded would be a more proper solution. Use heavyweight linen or some kind of canvas for the outermost layer. Keep in mind this isn't an armour like the jack is supposed to be, so you don't want it too thick, otherwise it will interfere with your movement.

If nothing else, the website is full of great information. Let us know your progress!

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JimR
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posted 01-10-2002 02:17 PM     Profile for JimR     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Again thanks for the info. this is my last day on shift, seven days to bang on metal with no interruptions.
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JimR
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posted 01-19-2002 12:59 AM     Profile for JimR     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The helmet liner worked real well for my pattern, got it finished Monday evening.
also finished a maile coife in 14 ga.mild.
i've decided to try a set of early 15th c
arms,legs based on churburg 18 and breast and back plates using Milenese patterns from armour archive and so far I am really enjoying myself. If I can get hold of a digital camera I'll try to post some shots of my progress. Again thanks for the help and I know I'll be asking lots of questions.

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Callum Forbes
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posted 02-06-2002 07:04 PM     Profile for Callum Forbes   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have just completed a helmet liner for a new 14th century bascinet I got last month. Historically these were of quilted linen packed with animal hair or vegetable matter.

I used horse hair wrapped in horse mane/tail hair as the packing (suggested in Brian Price's armour book). It packs down really tightly as 3 cubic feet of horsehair was barely enough but the end result is well worth it. The horse hair must be the most shock-absorbant material that I've seen so I would recommend its use for arming caps or helmet liners.

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