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hauptmann
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posted 12-17-2000 04:25 AM     Profile for hauptmann     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It's my plan to showcase a recent work every couple of weeks or so here on FS.

Any comments are welcome; I'm especially interested in constructive criticism.....everyone can get better.

Here's a raised bascinet with engraved latten borders. The visor began as a forge welded cone and was raised from there. I'm much happier with this one than the last one, and the client was ecstatic.


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Friedrich
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posted 12-17-2000 08:12 AM     Profile for Friedrich   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Outstanding!!!

I particularly like the brass trim with the inscribing!

Peter


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posted 12-17-2000 03:53 PM     Profile for Zanetto   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hauptmann,
How are you forge welding sheet metal? I've always either burned holes in it or not gotten it hot enough. I've had a lot of success raising pointed visors and the skulls of bascinets from gas welded cones. Are you using something other than mild steel?

Thanks,

Zanetto


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hauptmann
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posted 12-17-2000 04:51 PM     Profile for hauptmann     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
"How are you forge welding sheet metal?"

Gas torch, big rosebud, brazing flux, the right temp, and good timing. It's a lap seam, of course.

I did a test first too. BTW, the seam is not completely invisible, but with more practice I could probably make it so.

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Tom Justus
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posted 12-17-2000 08:20 PM     Profile for Tom Justus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Jeff -

The bascinet looks wonderful. Did you forge weld the bascinet bowl into a cone before rasing or start with a flat sheet?

Tom


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chef de chambre
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posted 12-17-2000 08:39 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Supurb work as usual Jeff !

It is my understanding that several of the surviving houndskull visors had the cone of the visor forge welded.

I can hardly wait for you to get my project underway.

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hauptfrau
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posted 12-17-2000 09:09 PM     Profile for hauptfrau     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
"...raising pointed visors and the skulls of bascinets from gas welded cones."

The skull started out as a flat sheet of steel.

I saw it when it started, and I still can't believe he can get that much shape from a flat piece of metal- the helmet is *gorgeous*.

Took a huge amount of pounding though, I can vouch for that, too.

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posted 12-17-2000 10:51 PM     Profile for Seigneur de Leon   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
That is beautiful. You do marvelous work.

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posted 12-18-2000 07:23 AM     Profile for Templar Bob   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hauptmann:

Looks museum-quality. From the Churburg garniture, right?

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Hammered Wombat
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posted 12-18-2000 07:29 AM     Profile for Hammered Wombat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Stunning, of course. I've come to expect that from you, and would be amazed to see anything less.

I'm very curious about the finish you put on it. It's something that I've become very interested in of late, as I'm trying to improve my own work. I want to be able to do a more authentic finish, and I'm wondering if you would consider the finish on this helm to be within the technical capabilities of the period that it comes from.

Did you do the riveted maille, or do you contract that out? Nice in either case.

That portion of skull above the sights is less than I've seen in photographs of authentic pieces. You have access to many more references than I do, so I'm curious if this helm represents a common style of the period, or if a closer fit was paramount to the customer. Illustrations would have me believe that it was more common to have an extremely high crown. I've also never seen any examples with a central ridge, but again my reference materials are pretty limited.

The proportions in the visor are beautiful. I've seen a lot of modern reproductions that just look goofy, but this isn't one of them. Personally, I prefer the mouth to be boxed in like the eyes, but your choice is well done. What does the engraving say, and where do you get latten?

I look forward to doing work like that someday...soon


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posted 12-18-2000 09:41 AM     Profile for Brenna   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Wow,
That is absolutely beautiful work. You are a true artist!
Brenna

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Alec
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posted 12-18-2000 03:54 PM     Profile for Alec   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I can only echo the admiration expressed by others. I've armoured enough to have a very personal appreciation of what an achievement this peice is. In fact I've taped up a print of the last photo you posted (the one of the armet and Italian harness) on a cabinet in my shop as inspiration. The print out of these photos will go next to it.

One particular observation. I like the fact that you've reproduced the inscription from the Chuburg helmet. Nice to see "IESUS" on a piece of modern armour. Reminds us that the objects that we are trying to reproduce were used by people who lived in a profoundly religous society. Not that I want to attend a pre-Vatican II mass every morning, but i like the touch.


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James Byngham
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posted 12-20-2000 04:13 PM     Profile for James Byngham   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hauptmann-- How did you do the engraving?

I'm just getting started with learning to engrave, and am interested in the tools you use.

Do you prefer hand gravers, or the power gravers?

--James--

[This message has been edited by James Byngham (edited 12-20-2000).]


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miller
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posted 12-23-2000 08:31 PM     Profile for miller   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Very nice work! I really like the visor. The shape seems very authentic to me. Is the cone welded on the top or bottom of the visor?

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hauptmann
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posted 12-26-2000 03:18 PM     Profile for hauptmann     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks for the questions and compliments. I'll do my best to answer them.

"I'm wondering if you would consider the finish on this helm to be within the technical capabilities of the period that it comes from."

I do. This is an upper end helm of the period and I believe it is worthy of a good polish. Not mirror, mind you, but a good shine. Given medieval technology and the grinding mills of the time, I think it's perfectly plausible. I don't necessarily think mirror polish is, however.

"Did you do the riveted maille, or do you contract that out?"

I have an overseas manufacturer that makes pieces specifically for me.

"That portion of skull above the sights is less than I've seen in photographs of authentic pieces. You have access to many more references than I do, so I'm curious if this helm represents a common style of the period, or if a closer fit was paramount to the customer. Illustrations would have me believe that it was more common to have an extremely high crown. I've also never seen any examples with a central ridge, but again my reference materials are pretty limited."

Bascinet crowns are generally higher than on SCA bascinets we've all seen, but this area on my bascinet is pretty typical. I was specifically working from the Churburg 13 and the one with the wiggle graved trim in the Royal armouries. This is a collector's piece and was not made to fit the client, though I tried it on myself to orient the visor, eyes, etc. and found that it would work just fine. It's a real helmet, it just won't be used by the owner.

"The proportions in the visor are beautiful. I've seen a lot of modern reproductions that just look goofy, but this isn't one of them.

Why thank you.

Personally, I prefer the mouth to be boxed in like the eyes, but your choice is well done.

This is a choice dictated by the Churburg helmet visor.

What does the engraving say, and where do you get latten?"

Something like "Jesus passes through the midst of them". I don't know latin and the translation I have of it is not necessarily trustworthy.

Latten is copper alloy, that's all. This includes brass and bronze. The alloy varies from piece to piece. I used brass and I think it's appropriate to call it by its medieval name, 'latten'.

"Do you prefer hand gravers, or the power gravers?"

I use a Magnagraver on a Foredom motor. I have to make a living at this and don't have the time to use hand gravers.

"Is the cone welded on the top or bottom of the visor?"

Welded on the bottom. Less shaping there so less possibility of separating the weld. It's not a perfect weld, btw, but I don't think medieval armourers would worry about whether the weld was invisible or not, as long as the visor held together. I'm sure mine would.

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posted 01-11-2001 11:54 AM     Profile for AB/WMA   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Excellent work, an outstanding job, the shape and lines appear just perfect, although i fell it deserves a nicer aventail than it has, It would be nice if the overseas manufacturers (india/pakastan etc) could flatten their rings more like the maille produced by SoFC and schmidt and the few others creating hand made rivited maille.
Ive always been very impressed with your work

AB/WMA


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hauptmann
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posted 01-11-2001 05:45 PM     Profile for hauptmann     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
There is a limit to what the Indians can do with riveted mail. I have directed my mail manufacturer to review Steve's mail making site and asked if this is possible. Unfortunately, it is not. Given the production methods, it's not feasible for them to make 'flat' ring riveted mail without it costing a phenomenal amount, probably several thousand $ per shirt. Remember, they're making dozens of shirts at a time and processing millions of rings per batch.

I don't necessarily think the mail that's available now is perfect by any stretch, but it's a damned good product for the money. And riveted mail wasn't even available 3 years ago.

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Erik D. Schmid
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posted 01-12-2001 12:24 PM     Profile for Erik D. Schmid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Jeff,

Nice helm. Very clean. I am curious though as to your statement pertaining to the riveted mail available today. Could you be a bit more specific as to what you would consider perfect?

Erik


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posted 01-12-2001 04:17 PM     Profile for Janos     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hauptmann,

I can only add to the chorus... beautiful work.

Erik, not to speak for him, but I think his comments were only refering to the indian mass created mail.


Janos


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posted 01-12-2001 07:41 PM     Profile for Seigneur de Leon   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Erik:
I can't speak for Jeff H., but I'd consider a camail made of 'D' shaped rings 1/2 forge-welded and half riveted out of 18 guage mild uncoated steel to be close enough!!! Your maille would look perfect on this helm.

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Erik D. Schmid
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posted 01-17-2001 06:44 PM     Profile for Erik D. Schmid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Janos,

Yes that would make sense. That doesn't sound too conceited though does it? It's not meant to.

Seigneur de Leon,

Yes it would. That helm is damn nice. Instead of using the D-shaped rings, I would rather use the 20 gauge 3/16"ID round ones and make it look like the aventail on the Lyle bascinet in the RA in Leeds. That would be sweet.

In any event Jeff has really outdone himself on that piece. I must admit though that it is really one of the only pieces of his work that I have seen other than that posted on his site, but nevertheless it is stunning.

My hats off to you Mr. Hedgecock.

Erik


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posted 01-17-2001 07:21 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Eric,

If we ever meet face to face, you can check out my armet - It's pictured on his site, and it truly is stunning work.

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posted 01-17-2001 11:14 PM     Profile for hauptmann     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Eric,

If you'd like to view my other work (at least a portion of it) you might visit my website:
http://www.historicenterprises.com

specifically view the 'custom work gallery' in the 'arms and armour' section.

The direct address is:
http://www.historicenterprises.com/haa/gallery.html

Thanks for the kind words.

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posted 01-18-2001 08:38 PM     Profile for Seigneur de Leon   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Victor (in our group) has his sallet with gorget and falling buff. It was so nice, we had him make Patty a gorget for her kettle helm, though he raised an eyebrow over the stainless steel. It works perfect. Touch the button and it drops right down. Fits her to a 'T', though it never quite looked right with her seg. breastplate (different time period anyway).

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posted 01-23-2001 08:46 AM     Profile for Erik D. Schmid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Bob R,

If you are going to attend the MTA in Jamestown this year I will be there with Novae Militiae.

Jeff,

Very nice looking pieces in the gallery. I especially like the Corinthian helm.

Cheers,
Erik


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