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chef de chambre
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posted 08-29-2005 06:43 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Once in a while, in my old battery (ACW), we would undertake ceremonial duties at the bejest of various veterans orginizations or the Sate government (got to do things like saluting the "Tall Ships", and the like).

One rather solemn duty was firing a salute over a civil war veterans final burial (he had been killed at Chancelorsville, as I recollect, and he was given a hasty burial when he was killed, dug up years later, and the bones shipped back to his family. The GAR had planned to bury him at some point, but due to some error the old fellows bones ended up in the attic of the old GAR post, until they were discovered in 1996, and the State decuded to give him a burial with full military honours - as I mentioned, we fired the salute for the ceremony, and went out of our way to be done up proper for the occasion, in full ceramonial attire. The burial took place on Memorial day (it may have been Veterans day, it was almost a decade ago now), as I recall

- Enter an insane woman. While we were waiting to preform the ceremony (the locsal press was there, of course as well as local officials and politician, the ceremony was well-publicised in the press at the time), nattily dressed in our circa 1860's togs, with white cotton dress gloves, saber belts sabers and all, a hysterical woman approached us, offended to the point of outrage - for what reason, we could not tell immediately.

The insane woman (I can only assume she had at least one screw loose), was pointing at this elderly Second World War veteran, wearing his overseas cap, and placing a wreath on the monument to the war dead of the town in the Second World War "Make him stop doing that!" she demanded of me. "This is supposed to be the burial of the Civil War soldier!" At which point I addressed her politiely "Ma'am, that man is a Veteran of the Second World War, and this is Memorial day, and he is honouring his fallen comerades, which he has every right to do, and is fitting and proper, and he has the right to do it without being bothered by some crazy person. Besides, I have no authority, and I wouldn't stop him if I did. I'm a reenactor, not a police officer - go ask one of the cops to do it, I'm sure he will be very willing to oblige your request".

At that point, exit the lunatic in a huff. Nobody of course interrupted the gentleman, and she apparently thought better of asking one of the police officers to interfere - she would have likely been addressed by them far more roughly tham I did, and probably realised that.

As PT Barum (well, him or Canada Bill Jones) once said "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the American public."

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posted 08-29-2005 08:36 PM     Profile for Neb   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
People are just plain nutty sometimes.

Anyhoo, back on the "Traditions" thread...

Historical Seasonings

It just isn't "over the fire" cooking without ash sifting into the soup, scraping the soot off of your dropped sausage, or (if you are horsey) alfalfa flakes (unused or ABC) sprinkled on your porrige. If you have to deal with the public, you are required to have at least one surley teenager watch you stir a dusting of ash into the beans and say "Ew! I wouldn't eat that!" To which you might reply, "Then you'd have been a mighty hungry brat back then."

Nobody cooks from scratch anymore. I've deduced this from numerous encounters with big-eyed infants asking me what in the world I'm doing as I chop carrots/onions/whatever, as though they've never seen such alchemical procedures before. "What are you doing?" they ask, breathlessly. "I'm making supper." "But it's only 4:00!" "Well, it's going to take awhile to cook." They leave, aghast that civilization survived at all under such dreadful conditions.

The other question is, "Are you going to eat that?" To which you might answer, as I once did, "No. I'm going to prep and cook all day and then throw it in the fire."

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posted 08-29-2005 09:18 PM     Profile for Martin     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yep that with the cooking is almost like my all time favorite question: "You don´t sleep here on that?" meaning our straw matresses, sheep skins and woolen blankets. Usually the askers get a sencible anwser, but after hearing that question sometimes a 100 times a day, there does come every once in awhile the answer: "No of course not, we sleep in a near by hotel, you can´t expect anyone to sleep on that, far too uncomfortable, even in those days people prefered hotels"

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posted 08-30-2005 01:29 AM     Profile for Neb   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hotels? No no no. I learned of a visitor to a large Ren Faire that it was her notion that people "back then" all lived in caves.

I kid you not.

The Faire denizen corrected her and explained that houses were actually quite prevalent in Merrie Olde England, then checked herself and asked the woman how long ago she thought "back then" was, at which point the visitor's son chimed in, "Mom! You know, like Xena times!"

I hope the Ren Fairy tipped the visitor for providing much-needed entertainment on a hot day.

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posted 08-30-2005 04:29 PM     Profile for Seth     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The Overbearing (insert religion here).
Will walk around the camp you have made and Look at everything. Then become exceptionally offended by the fact that you have a cross on your rosaries, or are cooking pork, or cooking meat on a sunday (isnt it eating it on a sunday thats not allowed?) or that you are saying Grace at a meal. This person may go from tutting all the way to trying to stop you doign that activity, or in one case vomiting over said pork. Tends to be either a younger teen or someone around the ages of 40-45. ay be an offshoot of:
quote:
The Patriotic Prat
Usually weighs in at 18 stone and will sing his Land of my Fathers, Flower of Scotland ...

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posted 08-30-2005 08:30 PM     Profile for Alan F   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Seth:
[b]The Overbearing (insert religion here).
Will walk around the camp you have made and Look at everything. Then become exceptionally offended by the fact that you have a cross on your rosaries, or are cooking pork, or cooking meat on a sunday (isnt it eating it on a sunday thats not allowed?) or that you are saying Grace at a meal. This person may go from tutting all the way to trying to stop you doign that activity, or in one case vomiting over said pork. Tends to be either a younger teen or someone around the ages of 40-45. ay be an offshoot of: [QUOTE] The Patriotic Prat
Usually weighs in at 18 stone and will sing his Land of my Fathers, Flower of Scotland ...
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Reminds me of the time the group were doing the siege of Rothesay Castle. Our group leader was in full 14th century knights finery and explaining about how practically everybody who fought would wear a rosary or some sort of religious symbol as they hoped it would give them extra protection. At which point a woman asked "So what did the Protestants wear then?"


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posted 08-30-2005 08:37 PM     Profile for Martin     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Alan,
to that question
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At which point a woman asked "So what did the Protestants wear then?"
how about ashes? :-) I guess in that period of time they would be heretics? :-)

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posted 09-01-2005 04:28 AM     Profile for Ulfgar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
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The Faire denizen corrected her and explained that houses were actually quite prevalent in Merrie Olde England, then checked herself and asked the woman how long ago she thought "back then" was, at which point the visitor's son chimed in, "Mom! You know, like Xena times!"



Which reminds me of The Zena re-enacment group
Believes that zena is a historically authentic figure and hollywood amazons are medieval. Gets very upset if you even dare hint that they might have to prove that, especially if you are male.
This really happened to me!

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posted 09-02-2005 01:21 AM     Profile for damien     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ulfgar if you are talking about the rather attractive Xenaphiles that have turned up at Brisbane Medieval Fayre I for one will defend their right to dress that way at least it beats looking at the pirates/highlanders/what am I this month brigade.
On a more serious note the Xenaphiles do a much better job on their impressions of fictional characters than many of the ‘historical’ re enactors that were there. At least I could identify what they were supposed to be rather than the generic medieval /dark age pastiche that seems to be the norm.
Sad isn’t it
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Unfortunately I have to agree, Damien..... And they were certainly a lot easier on the eye than most re-enactors.

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posted 10-06-2005 09:15 AM     Profile for Alan F   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It Continues....

The Mercenary Group

A well-known phenomena. This group is made up of (poorly dressed) nobles who each have wandered all over Europe (usually in full plate) and ended up in England, although nobody can tell how. They have a marked tendency to own kit that can't be provenanced for any period, something they are very touchy about.

Which leads onto...

The Badly Dressed Group

This is the group that was founded by people who desperately wanted to portray a knight, despite never having bought any of the kit necessary. A year later and they still look like scruffy peasants whilst their billmen/spearmen are the best dressed, armed and armoured of any group in the Western hemisphere.


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posted 10-06-2005 09:31 AM     Profile for Alan F   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The Leper

The person who has come claiming to be a leper. This doesn't stop them being armed with a hand-and-a-half of course. When they actually do get treated like a leper, they leave the group in a huff. No great loss.

The Back-Stabbers

Everyone used to be great friends with this group and invited them to lots of events. This was until people saw how they would spend the entire event trying to get the event's patrons to switch to having their group run it. Any events that they are likely to host will be attended by the various groups listed on this thread.


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posted 10-11-2005 11:11 PM     Profile for Charles I     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
How about...
The Fourteen Pound Sword Guy -- He gives you grief about how your sword isn't right because it is too light and pulls out a sword that would make Conan cringe. He tells you that his is right because it is heavier (you know, all swords take 10 minutes to draw back for a swing).
or
The "Cling-On"-- The obnoxious teenager who latches on to you because suddenly you are cool. He follows you everywhere and continually prattles on about utterly meanigless stuff.

Both of these happen to me every event I attend.

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quote:
Originally posted by Charles I:
How about...
[b]The "Cling-On"
-- The obnoxious teenager who latches on to you because suddenly you are cool. He follows you everywhere and continually prattles on about utterly meanigless stuff.
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Oh I know him - they seem alright at first, but are still hanging around the campsite two hours later asking completely inane questions.

quote:
The Fourteen Pound Sword Guy -- He gives you grief about how your sword isn't right because it is too light and pulls out a sword that would make Conan cringe. He tells you that his is right because it is heavier (you know, all swords take 10 minutes to draw back for a swing).
or

Reminds me of someone I once fought many moons ago. He had a £450 Daemon War Blade (whatever that was) I had a £25 hangar. He posed with his toy for about 5 minutes, doing the full Conan routine, then deigned to attack me. He swung, I blocked and the Daemon War Blade promptly disappeared in a shower of broken metal. I can still hear him saying "But it's a Daemon War Blade, it's supposed to be able to fight off Daemons!" as we both looked at £450 worth of scrap metal.


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posted 10-12-2005 11:04 AM     Profile for Alan F   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The Archer

Possibly the worst archer you have ever seen. Whenever someone wins an archery competition, he is first to go and lecture them on how to use a bow properly, despite being knocked out in the first round.

Snoring Loudly

Sorry.


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The Archer
Possibly the worst archer you have ever seen. Whenever someone wins an archery competition, he is first to go and lecture them on how to use a bow properly, despite being knocked out in the first round.



Is this the one who carries around the very modern recurve and modern fiberglass arrows with bright red and green plastic fletching?

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...wearing a kilt and calf high plainsman moccasins with an Errol Flynn shirt?

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posted 10-12-2005 08:32 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Those would be les barbarians (sauvages?) in le plateu Fantastique... The are often found in the company of zombies and vampires...

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Are Those Chickens Real?

For the past five years we have spruced up our camp with a pair of imitation roosters (capons, one would presume as they're awfully peaceable with one another). We have up to ten tents, armor, banners, fire implements, and a twenty-foot tall trebuchet and the most fascinating part of the camp is the $15 fake roosters.

We have considered just setting up the roosters behind a set of ropes.

Can I Hit You In the Head?

Usually asked once every other year or so, by a drunk young man feeling his oats against a steel bascinet.

Yes, yes you can...

The Uninvited Neighbor

The drunk from across the street of one of our members who shows up and imposes himself.

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posted 10-13-2005 08:55 AM     Profile for Hugo     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by chef de chambre:
Those would be les barbarians (sauvages?) in le plateu Fantastique... The are often found in the company of zombies and vampires...

At least they made the effort to separate them from us! Could you imagine the pike formation against the zombie horde? ...Shudder...

Unfortunately, they are as part of the "medieval" scene as we are, and we have to live with them somehow. Fantasy is what draws people into this game. The once that join our rank are those would get tired of it and want more out of the experience than plastic fangs and slashed fur coats.

I would not be surprised if the vast majority of the pilgrims that are at Ste-Anne were there primarily for the Fantasy park; the historical park being a nice bonus to them...
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quote:
Originally posted by Charles I:
...wearing a kilt and calf high plainsman moccasins with an Errol Flynn shirt?

Dat's der bunny.

He also is usually in his 50's, either divorced or never married (can't think why) and his friends are all of the same ilk. He also thinks he knows more about achery than anyone else, despite this very definietly not being the case.


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Hi Hugo!
Yes that was the impression I had too, that most visitors where there for the fantasy section. But I can live with that as medieval doesn´t have that much to do with this continent, as long as those people do not slip into the living history groups. But I guess I am too European, I prefer anyhow more small pure 15th century events than multi period and multi hobby.!

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I never had an event that was purely historic yet, but I bet it is a very cool experience!

It is still a nice touch of the organisation to have physically separate the 2 crowds by more than curtains!

Back on topic:

Tha adventuring group. Consists of 5 or 6 15-year-olds, dressed in character, and being in-game from the moment they set foot in the park. They talk to each other in that wierd "play language" (you know what I mean...), and offer their help to rid the world of evil...

These guys showed up on our camp twice! Needless to say that the Burgundian Army has nothing to do with blond elves wearing electric blue nylon capes...

I expect to see them Saturday...


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AHAH!!

So, that is what is up with the kid in the wierd long unaturally blonde wig - I thought he was a person of confused gender, or a transvestite want-to-be! I didn't know he was supposed to be an elf. Got an involuntary shudder up the spine every time I saw him, although he seemed a nice enough kid.

The Fantastique barging through the camp was getting increasingly bad during the weekend - does anyone have a monks robe or clerical attire? I suggest that Saturday we sieze some of these chaps, arrest them, and hand them over to the "church" for a mock trial for witchcraft, heresy, and communing with the devil (hey, elf ears are obviously the sign of a demon).

That might be good for a laugh from the crowd, and interject some of the religious side of 15th century life.

When you guys come to our Calais event, you will have an all 15th century event, with naught an elf or zombie in sight.

What is up with that odd person running through the camp and being driven off (it seems to be part of an animation) ? I am never close enough, and my French being tres Mal is not enough to catch the gist of what is going on when people talk fast. Guy had a mask with horns.

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Well I must admit I am spoiled as the last eight years I been to nothing other but pure 15th century events. But who knows what is possible here!

If we ever get this far I know a few people who would turn green of envy!

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