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Gwen
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posted 02-26-2001 11:45 AM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I've re-registered as "Ginevra". I'm trying to lose my unintentionally aquired "German" roots and make sure I'm not confused with anyone else, so I'm using my reenactment name now.

New name, same old me!

Gwen
The artist formerly known as hauptfrau (thanks Gaston! )


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AnnaRidley
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posted 03-07-2001 09:08 AM     Profile for AnnaRidley   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Okay - for the phonetically challenged how do you pronounce that?

Mitake


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Gwen
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posted 03-07-2001 11:42 AM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
"Ji-nev'-ra" I don't know how to indicate that all of the vowels are short.

It's the first part of "Ginevra Francesca Pallucchini". If you want to know how to pronounce all that I'll explain when I see you on the 24th!

Gwen


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Jeff Johnson
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posted 03-07-2001 12:12 PM     Profile for Jeff Johnson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Cool non de guerre, Gwen. May we call you "Gin"?

While on the subject of pseudonyms, I've always wondered how is "Mitake" is pronounced, about it's ethnicity (Japanese?), and which is her real name & which is her 15th C. personna name.

Could you enlighten?

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You can call me Jeff, & you can call me Jeff J., but ya doesn't has ta call me Johnson!


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Gwen
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posted 03-07-2001 02:13 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
May we call you "Gin"?

Only if I can call you "Scotch".

Lessee.... actually, no one (in a reenactment setting) should be calling me by my first name except my female peers- AM & Jenn. Everyone else should be using some form of formal address, such as "Madame", or "Madonna", *including* my husband. If you read period correspondence, even married couples are very formal with each other--at least on paper. This it true right up through the 1930's or 40's in this country.

IMHO, we Americans are too informal, and it's difficult to make this point with everyone, and -much to my disgust- I'm usually addressed as "Gwen". It is interesting to note that many foreign languages have a "formal" tense that is used with people one doesn't know, and people older than oneself. I kind of like that formality, myself.

Oh well. Maybe forms of address might just be the next step for the Red Company!!

Gwen


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AnnaRidley
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posted 03-07-2001 02:32 PM     Profile for AnnaRidley   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JeffJ:
While on the subject of pseudonyms, I've always wondered how is "Mitake" is pronounced, about it's ethnicity (Japanese?), and which is her real name & which is her 15th C. personna name.

Mitake is my real name. It is Japanese but not a standard Japanese name, i.e. it was made up by my pragmatic Japanese mother and my new-agey American father. The kanji for it is beautiful bamboo. I'm really bad at phonetic spelling but try me-TAH-keh. The way my mother taught Japanese pronumciation is that each vowel represents a syllable, all vowels are short, and do your best not to stress any syllable or if you have to stress one make sure it isn't the first.

Growing up with a name that caused substitute teachers to pause and read out just my last name lead me to choose a simple and English name for re-enacting, hence Anna Ridley.

Mitake.


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Fire Stryker
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posted 03-07-2001 03:04 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Interesting note about formal address. Perhaps this would go under the Impressions catagory. Part of the PERSONA aspect.

1. You create your persona
2. You figure out what you persona would know in the way of skills and such.
3. Customs and manners dictated by social status. How you address your superiors, how you address your peers, how folks on the same social level but who are not your intimates address you. And how those beneath your station address you.

Would definitely add a level of "life" to an encampment. Bob and I were kicking this one around recently as I am working on grounding my persona.

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Reinhard von Lowenhaupt
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posted 03-07-2001 03:42 PM     Profile for Reinhard von Lowenhaupt   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It's amazing that this topic should come up as to adressing people. Having studied French and German, I was always impressed with the European aditude towards adressing people, and just how rude we Americans really are. I agree that learning proper social skills is imperative to a good portrayal. Another thing to look into is the proper way to adress those 'beneath' you on the social ladder. For people of a lower station this is not a problem, but for someone portraying a knight/man-at-arms, how do you adress footsoldiers--especially a veteran who is more advanced in years?
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Gwen
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posted 03-07-2001 04:35 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Oooh... this *is* turning into an interesting thread.

I call my page a "young lout", or "insolent lout", or just plain "Rubin", as the occasion warrants.

I refer to Jeff as "Sir Tristan" when speaking to others, "your master" when speaking to Rubin, "The Captain" when speaking to the men and as my "lord husband" when referring to him to the public.

I call the men by their first names since I outrank them, unless of course I'm abusing them for their laziness or stupidity. Then "lout" works for them too.

Lessee- I address female members of the public as "Madame", or "Mademoiselle", and men as "Master". I try to avoid "my lord" and "my lady", as (I feel!) it has been overused by other groups. Children are "young master" and "young mistress", and I thoroughly enjoy watching them squirm with delight when so addressed. Kids are so accusomed to being spoken "down" to that the reaction one gets from addresing them deferentially is amazing.

It would be interesting to see how far off I am. Does anyone have any real information of forms of address?

Gwen


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Bob Hurley
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posted 03-07-2001 10:03 PM     Profile for Bob Hurley     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ginevra:
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IMHO, we Americans are too informal, and it's difficult to make this point with everyone, and -much to my disgust- I'm usually addressed as "Gwen".

I'm guilty, and I'm very sorry if I offended you. It is how you sign your name, and how I thought you wished to be addressed. I can't do better, though, until you tell me your preferences, which I will be glad to observe.

quote:

It is interesting to note that many foreign languages have a "formal" tense that is used with people one doesn't know, and people older than oneself. I kind of like that formality, myself.

Which would mean you should call me Mr. Hurley, which would make me uncomfortable entirely. Please indulge me if you will, being called in the familiar by a handsome young lady makes me much happier than being reminded at every reference of my dottage.

quote:

Oh well. Maybe forms of address might just be the next step for the Red Company!!

Gwen [/B]


Please let me know how that goes. It may be one of the many nails in building the structure that will some day be the Company of St. Olaf.


Bob, err....Mssr. Hurley


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chef de chambre
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posted 03-07-2001 10:20 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi All,

Oi can call tha 'Granther' if Tha loiks Meester Hurrley, and tug ter lock fer thee. Must shaw respect fer th' ancients.

(I believe 'cheeky monkey!' would be an appropriate response....)

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Gwen
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posted 03-08-2001 12:03 AM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
You do that accent right well in print, Master Reed!

Oh, and I was of course whining about familiarity in a reenactment setting ONLY- I'll answer to just about anything in real life, although vularity usually warrants a good wallop!

Gwen


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hauptmann
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posted 03-08-2001 03:02 AM     Profile for hauptmann     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
"Lessee.... actually, no one (in a reenactment setting) should be calling me by my first name except my female peers- AM & Jenn. Everyone else should be using some form of formal address, such as "Madame", or "Madonna", *including* my husband. If you read period correspondence, even married couples are very formal with each other--at least on paper. This it true right up through the 1930's or 40's in this country."

"Oh well. Maybe forms of address might just be the next step for the Red Company!!"

Wow, I've got it easy! In only have to remember one form of address. Since I outrank everybody except my wife, I can call them all by their names!

Neato!

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Jeffrey Hedgecock
http://www.historicenterprises.com


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Fire Stryker
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posted 03-08-2001 07:51 AM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
We might want to take this conversation to the Impressions Forum or Brent started a thread about ADDRESS under the "Medieval Lifestyles, Activities, and Equipment" forum.

FS

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